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we live in a reality of phantoms and

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monsters they exist among us and

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sometimes they win

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even the devil was an angel once

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the world has its own rules and these

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rules are not human

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some of us seek answers to the origin

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and existence of cryptids in the

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unexplained

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join us as we venture beyond the known

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and accepted boundaries

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welcome to our nightmare i think you're

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hey folks good evening and welcome to

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the unexplained

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so tonight we welcome researchers

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investigators and authors

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graham rendall

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luke shanahan and mark fear fiorentino

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now graeme rendell is a full-time author

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and commentator on the unidentified

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aerial phenomena issue

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he has also contributed to the debrief

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an american news website dealing with

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cutting edge science tech and defense

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news and a frequent guest on various

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looking at uaps

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he also writes articles on the subject

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for uap media uk graham has written a

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critically acclaimed work looking at the

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food fighters

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witnessed during world war ii in the

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numerous wartime cases that occurred

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before the term was coined in november

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1944.

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uh he has been an aviation world war ii

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history enthusiast from an early age

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when he was given model aircraft kids

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hits to keep him quiet which is funny

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because my dad owned a hobby shop so i

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get that

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they did the same to me too so uh now

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luke shanahan is an experienced

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ufologist who has been researching the

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phenomena for 20 years

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and in the last five years has become a

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dedicated field researcher and social

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media manager

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running two internationally known and

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our facebook groups ufo files group and

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into the dimensional riff

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born in melbourne and now living in

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queensland australia luke has had an eye

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in the sky

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and interest in ufos since she was a boy

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lucas thoroughly thorough knowledge of

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experiences such as calvin parker and

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keeping an ever watchful eye on the

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australian sky now mark fiorentino

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is the author of master of reality which

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is a book about the completion of

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einstein's unified field theory mark

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high-tech industry starting out as an

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he worked on a killer satellite missile

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knowledge to develop a program

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winterhaven hospital now mark's website

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is located at super relative super dash

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guys thanks for joining me this evening

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hello

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so i'm going to start out by uh having

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each one of you tell the audience um

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what what your research has entailed

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hi everybody so yeah um as you said in

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the introduction i'm an aviation

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historian um so i look at

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books so far in terms of dealing with

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saucer fever which looks at aerial

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encounters between 1950 and 1952. so

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sign or grudge documents but also

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german cigarette weapons and it all came

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aviation aspect from the pilots

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encounters from the crew encounters uh

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focused on things i can understand and i

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can put into a form of words that other

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people hopefully then can understand

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mark how about you

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well i got into this business i guess

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learning about albert einstein who was

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on my birthday and the nuns wanted us to

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saint on her birthday and i couldn't

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find one and lo and behold

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albert einstein so i started studying

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retirement i write the book masters of

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research gate that papers on

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and that supplements the book that i

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that's basically the short story for how

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i got into this whole thing

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very good and luke

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interested in a lot of the stuff he just

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fascinated with uh when i started to

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learn about ufos

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these things

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subject in more detail so

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just keep here very short there so we

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can get on with the program but yes

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well i guess i gotta ask the the obvious

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what are ufos are they just lights in

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universes or other galaxies what what

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i'll be honest and say i don't know we

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don't have enough information yet to be

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able to say for definite what these

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things represent are they lights but

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they're light they're craft there may be

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something in between people you know

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sort of come up with all these kind of

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like of kind of theories and everything

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but until you can actually prove one of

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them or all of them then really we're

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still you know so casting around the

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dark to try and find out what these

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things are there are plenty of people

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who have claimed to know what these

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so-called experts that pop up or the

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people who say you know that they've had

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they've met beings or they've been

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inside craft and all the rest of it but

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unfortunately until we actually have

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definite proof of this

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i'm concerned um you know with with it

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with a huge amount of respect to the

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people who make these you know claims

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and come up with these kind of tales um

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until there's definite proof then we're

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still casting around for for what is

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that other evidence

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uh what are your thoughts mark

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well i i take a approach

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more in that i i would say that

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yes they're all the above and there's

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evidence testimonial evidence

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some of it has been given directly to me

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a person who wants to remain anonymous

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for instance he and his friend who

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worked for the government in the 1970s

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were working in the desert and

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at a facility there and they saw a ufo

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and they got so close that they were

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and they saw markings on that ufo and

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they claim it said

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u.s air force experimental

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some of the ufos we see this is just my

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opinion now some of the ufos we see are

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our stuff reverse engineered some of it

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venus whatever it's um it's a hodgepodge

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if you're seeing a craft out there and

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it has no jet engine it's making no

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noise and it's making fantastic

286
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maneuvers it's either one of ours that

287
00:11:29,670 --> 00:11:26,959
we just reverse engineer and we have and

288
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we're testing or it's probably an alien

289
00:11:35,269 --> 00:11:32,800
ship that's my opinion

290
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and what are your thoughts luke

291
00:11:42,550 --> 00:11:39,120
well my thoughts are straight up um

292
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these things are real because thousands

293
00:11:45,990 --> 00:11:44,640
if not millions of people have seen

294
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these things

295
00:11:50,949 --> 00:11:48,320
and they're not

296
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are craft and they can't they do

297
00:11:54,949 --> 00:11:53,920
maneuvers that our craft can't keep up

298
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with

299
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and it's

300
00:12:03,670 --> 00:12:00,240
you know even out of a million cases if

301
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one is real they are real so

302
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in my basic opinion

303
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um

304
00:12:11,030 --> 00:12:09,360
they are real they're coming to

305
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this planet

306
00:12:16,389 --> 00:12:14,160
for whatever reason scientific reasons

307
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uh you get a lot of a lot of arguments

308
00:12:22,150 --> 00:12:18,560
of people you know why would they want

309
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to visit this planet well

310
00:12:25,829 --> 00:12:24,560
maybe they're curious they're like us

311
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they're curious

312
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they want to

313
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know what we're about what we do

314
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how we act

315
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our behavior everything um so

316
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yeah i i believe a hundred percent that

317
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these

318
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this phenomenon is

319
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100 percent real

320
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i guess you have um beyond the

321
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extraterrestrial sort of hypothesis you

322
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also have two other options which have

323
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been banded about in recent years and

324
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you have the kind of ultra-terrestrials

325
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i believe that's the phrase so they're

326
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more of us people who live with us and

327
00:13:01,910 --> 00:12:59,680
that we're not really aware of them but

328
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they've been here maybe forever or the

329
00:13:05,590 --> 00:13:03,200
time travelers from the future they're

330
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us from the future coming back to see us

331
00:13:09,829 --> 00:13:08,079
so as as mark said there it's all of the

332
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above it could be any one of them or it

333
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could be all of them or it could be one

334
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of them and we're not at the point yet i

335
00:13:18,310 --> 00:13:16,000
think and this is my personal opinion as

336
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to what which one of them

337
00:13:21,670 --> 00:13:19,519
or it could be something completely

338
00:13:23,750 --> 00:13:21,680
different that we're still not aware of

339
00:13:26,150 --> 00:13:23,760
you know we're not at that point yet but

340
00:13:28,230 --> 00:13:26,160
with great respect to our australian

341
00:13:30,150 --> 00:13:28,240
guests here yes that could be quite that

342
00:13:31,350 --> 00:13:30,160
could be quite right and a lot of people

343
00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:31,360
for years have

344
00:13:34,230 --> 00:13:32,720
you know that's where their focus has

345
00:13:36,870 --> 00:13:34,240
been but i don't think we should rule

346
00:13:39,269 --> 00:13:36,880
other things out either um because it's

347
00:13:40,710 --> 00:13:39,279
you know from a kind of um historian's

348
00:13:42,389 --> 00:13:40,720
point of view you you don't rule

349
00:13:44,310 --> 00:13:42,399
everything out until you rule everything

350
00:13:46,310 --> 00:13:44,320
out to kind of thing so

351
00:13:48,069 --> 00:13:46,320
you have to keep things in mind

352
00:13:50,150 --> 00:13:48,079
just because you might want something to

353
00:13:51,590 --> 00:13:50,160
happen or you believe it doesn't mean to

354
00:13:54,470 --> 00:13:51,600
say you should also rule out other

355
00:13:56,150 --> 00:13:54,480
stuffy as well uh but yes you know it

356
00:13:57,350 --> 00:13:56,160
could be aliens it could be it could be

357
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us from the future it could be almost

358
00:14:00,629 --> 00:13:59,680
anything really

359
00:14:03,030 --> 00:14:00,639
okay

360
00:14:03,829 --> 00:14:03,040
um

361
00:14:06,629 --> 00:14:03,839
now

362
00:14:08,790 --> 00:14:06,639
as far as uh let's let's talk about the

363
00:14:11,509 --> 00:14:08,800
the more recent

364
00:14:12,949 --> 00:14:11,519
so-called disclosures by the government

365
00:14:14,389 --> 00:14:12,959
or the military especially here in the

366
00:14:17,110 --> 00:14:14,399
united states

367
00:14:19,269 --> 00:14:17,120
uh with the the tic tac

368
00:14:22,150 --> 00:14:19,279
sightings or whatever with the nimitz

369
00:14:23,590 --> 00:14:22,160
group and all and and i know mark has

370
00:14:26,310 --> 00:14:23,600
looked into that

371
00:14:29,030 --> 00:14:26,320
uh are they kind of speed feeding us uh

372
00:14:30,550 --> 00:14:29,040
this information or is this something

373
00:14:33,110 --> 00:14:30,560
that uh

374
00:14:34,389 --> 00:14:33,120
is was done to generate some type of

375
00:14:39,189 --> 00:14:34,399
excitement or

376
00:14:44,310 --> 00:14:41,590
well i i think that

377
00:14:46,790 --> 00:14:44,320
it's very you have to be very careful in

378
00:14:47,990 --> 00:14:46,800
analyzing this data i mean they

379
00:14:49,670 --> 00:14:48,000
obviously

380
00:14:51,110 --> 00:14:49,680
presented some

381
00:14:54,069 --> 00:14:51,120
real good

382
00:14:56,310 --> 00:14:54,079
uh data that we can see there's radar

383
00:14:59,189 --> 00:14:56,320
it's on infrared it's on regular

384
00:15:02,389 --> 00:14:59,199
photography it's visual sightings it's

385
00:15:03,990 --> 00:15:02,399
confirmed and even the government admits

386
00:15:05,910 --> 00:15:04,000
it's something they don't know they

387
00:15:08,150 --> 00:15:05,920
won't admit what it is and i have a

388
00:15:10,310 --> 00:15:08,160
feeling they probably know

389
00:15:12,470 --> 00:15:10,320
and uh they're at this point where

390
00:15:13,509 --> 00:15:12,480
they're boxed in they're painted into a

391
00:15:15,910 --> 00:15:13,519
corner

392
00:15:17,350 --> 00:15:15,920
and they got to admit well okay yeah

393
00:15:20,389 --> 00:15:17,360
that's something

394
00:15:22,470 --> 00:15:20,399
you can't deny all that rock-solid data

395
00:15:24,949 --> 00:15:22,480
that's coming out of the system that's

396
00:15:26,470 --> 00:15:24,959
leaking out of their system

397
00:15:28,949 --> 00:15:26,480
and so they're just going to put their

398
00:15:30,629 --> 00:15:28,959
hands up in the air and say i don't know

399
00:15:32,870 --> 00:15:30,639
i don't know what it is

400
00:15:34,150 --> 00:15:32,880
and and and so we're still kind of left

401
00:15:36,550 --> 00:15:34,160
hanging

402
00:15:38,710 --> 00:15:36,560
because we we want more we want them to

403
00:15:40,550 --> 00:15:38,720
admit something but

404
00:15:42,870 --> 00:15:40,560
i'm thinking this is

405
00:15:45,269 --> 00:15:42,880
good data and we have to be careful that

406
00:15:47,350 --> 00:15:45,279
because they also i know our government

407
00:15:49,829 --> 00:15:47,360
the u.s government

408
00:15:52,470 --> 00:15:49,839
probably in conjunction with the

409
00:15:56,230 --> 00:15:52,480
other nations has a disinformation

410
00:15:59,430 --> 00:15:56,240
bureau going on so we you know we

411
00:16:01,990 --> 00:15:59,440
we have to be very careful when they're

412
00:16:04,629 --> 00:16:02,000
putting this stuff out to really examine

413
00:16:06,949 --> 00:16:04,639
it think about it analyze it discuss it

414
00:16:09,269 --> 00:16:06,959
as we're doing here to make sure we get

415
00:16:10,949 --> 00:16:09,279
it right we get the best information

416
00:16:13,430 --> 00:16:10,959
possible

417
00:16:16,230 --> 00:16:13,440
yeah uh luke you know you you've been in

418
00:16:18,470 --> 00:16:16,240
australia and uh familiar with what they

419
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:18,480
uh have

420
00:16:21,990 --> 00:16:20,399
disclosed in your country

421
00:16:24,389 --> 00:16:22,000
and of course the united states great

422
00:16:25,350 --> 00:16:24,399
britain in australia have been very

423
00:16:28,150 --> 00:16:25,360
tight

424
00:16:29,509 --> 00:16:28,160
militarily and and government-wise for

425
00:16:31,590 --> 00:16:29,519
for years and i'm quite sure they're

426
00:16:34,870 --> 00:16:31,600
working a lot of things together

427
00:16:36,470 --> 00:16:34,880
when it involves the ufo question but

428
00:16:38,230 --> 00:16:36,480
what what has been different in

429
00:16:41,990 --> 00:16:38,240
australia as compared to the united

430
00:16:43,350 --> 00:16:42,000
states or the uk as far as disclosure

431
00:16:46,389 --> 00:16:43,360
um well

432
00:16:47,189 --> 00:16:46,399
not a lot different to be honest um i'm

433
00:16:50,629 --> 00:16:47,199
sure

434
00:16:53,670 --> 00:16:50,639
every every country sees it as a similar

435
00:16:55,670 --> 00:16:53,680
kind of um phenomena

436
00:16:57,670 --> 00:16:55,680
it's just the way certain countries

437
00:17:00,949 --> 00:16:57,680
handle it the governments

438
00:17:07,750 --> 00:17:03,670
and it all depends on

439
00:17:08,870 --> 00:17:07,760
the amount of sightings and

440
00:17:12,789 --> 00:17:08,880
what

441
00:17:15,990 --> 00:17:12,799
america has

442
00:17:19,750 --> 00:17:16,000
yet taken a good slice of the cake

443
00:17:24,949 --> 00:17:19,760
with a phenomenon at the moment um

444
00:17:28,309 --> 00:17:24,959
with the tic tacs and um actual military

445
00:17:30,390 --> 00:17:28,319
uh confirmation that these things

446
00:17:31,669 --> 00:17:30,400
are potentially uh

447
00:17:37,830 --> 00:17:31,679
from

448
00:17:39,029 --> 00:17:37,840
the question is

449
00:17:41,909 --> 00:17:39,039
poses

450
00:17:44,070 --> 00:17:41,919
who are they and who's operating these

451
00:17:46,950 --> 00:17:44,080
craft

452
00:17:48,630 --> 00:17:46,960
you know it's also interesting that um

453
00:17:50,950 --> 00:17:48,640
especially here in the united states and

454
00:17:52,789 --> 00:17:50,960
in australia you've got the indigenous

455
00:17:54,630 --> 00:17:52,799
people that seem

456
00:17:55,590 --> 00:17:54,640
you know the aborigines in in your

457
00:17:57,270 --> 00:17:55,600
country

458
00:17:59,270 --> 00:17:57,280
where uh there does seem to be

459
00:18:01,750 --> 00:17:59,280
connection between uh

460
00:18:04,870 --> 00:18:01,760
uh other beings from other worlds and

461
00:18:09,029 --> 00:18:07,590
where does that fit in the equation

462
00:18:11,350 --> 00:18:09,039
uh well

463
00:18:14,950 --> 00:18:11,360
you you can um

464
00:18:18,470 --> 00:18:14,960
yeah it's aboriginal um they they go

465
00:18:20,150 --> 00:18:18,480
back a long time a long time um

466
00:18:22,070 --> 00:18:20,160
thousands of years

467
00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:22,080
and um

468
00:18:26,470 --> 00:18:24,880
even swapping over to america you know

469
00:18:30,310 --> 00:18:26,480
you got your hopey

470
00:18:33,029 --> 00:18:30,320
tribes that have uh mentioned the uh the

471
00:18:36,150 --> 00:18:33,039
ant people uh the underground people

472
00:18:38,710 --> 00:18:36,160
which researchers may not know about

473
00:18:41,029 --> 00:18:38,720
uh that actually helped the hobie try

474
00:18:42,950 --> 00:18:41,039
about with so

475
00:18:45,270 --> 00:18:42,960
um

476
00:18:48,630 --> 00:18:45,280
these particular entities could have

477
00:18:52,150 --> 00:18:48,640
been visiting us for thousands of years

478
00:18:53,830 --> 00:18:52,160
possibly i i won't confirm that but

479
00:18:55,590 --> 00:18:53,840
during my research

480
00:18:58,310 --> 00:18:55,600
it is possible

481
00:19:00,950 --> 00:18:58,320
it may have happened um i

482
00:19:03,270 --> 00:19:00,960
can't or cannot prove that that is

483
00:19:05,430 --> 00:19:03,280
correct

484
00:19:07,350 --> 00:19:05,440
uh graham or mark you having to say

485
00:19:09,990 --> 00:19:07,360
about that

486
00:19:12,070 --> 00:19:10,000
if you're asking about you the uk stands

487
00:19:13,909 --> 00:19:12,080
for its public stance on

488
00:19:15,830 --> 00:19:13,919
on ufos in terms of the ministry of

489
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:15,840
defenses there's nothing of a defense

490
00:19:20,310 --> 00:19:18,240
significance in the last 50 years that

491
00:19:23,270 --> 00:19:20,320
was um the announcement that was made in

492
00:19:25,029 --> 00:19:23,280
the house of lords debate last last july

493
00:19:27,110 --> 00:19:25,039
after the release of the preliminary

494
00:19:29,830 --> 00:19:27,120
reassessment in america at the end of

495
00:19:31,190 --> 00:19:29,840
the end of june so the

496
00:19:32,710 --> 00:19:31,200
as far as the uk government are

497
00:19:34,630 --> 00:19:32,720
concerned there's nothing to see here

498
00:19:35,990 --> 00:19:34,640
move along but obviously we know the

499
00:19:37,510 --> 00:19:36,000
reality is different because there have

500
00:19:41,430 --> 00:19:37,520
been case after case especially in the

501
00:19:42,630 --> 00:19:41,440
1990s in terms of calvin in 1990 and

502
00:19:45,029 --> 00:19:42,640
there was a couple of other things that

503
00:19:46,230 --> 00:19:45,039
happened afterwards that have suggested

504
00:19:48,630 --> 00:19:46,240
that there have been certain types of

505
00:19:50,310 --> 00:19:48,640
craft whether or not they're secret us

506
00:19:52,150 --> 00:19:50,320
platforms or not or there's something

507
00:19:55,029 --> 00:19:52,160
you know much more exotic that are

508
00:19:57,830 --> 00:19:55,039
flying in uk airspace possibly without

509
00:20:01,350 --> 00:19:57,840
the uk no knowledge of it so therefore

510
00:20:02,870 --> 00:20:01,360
that is defense significance um but

511
00:20:04,390 --> 00:20:02,880
in terms of the three videos that you

512
00:20:06,310 --> 00:20:04,400
mentioned earlier

513
00:20:07,909 --> 00:20:06,320
they didn't come out willingly in terms

514
00:20:09,350 --> 00:20:07,919
it wasn't a case of the us government or

515
00:20:10,390 --> 00:20:09,360
the u.s department of defense saying oh

516
00:20:12,549 --> 00:20:10,400
yeah we're going to put these out for

517
00:20:15,029 --> 00:20:12,559
public consumption that was that was

518
00:20:17,029 --> 00:20:15,039
louis elizondo and chris

519
00:20:19,909 --> 00:20:17,039
christopher mellon that they were behind

520
00:20:21,909 --> 00:20:19,919
putting those out so it was a kind of

521
00:20:24,230 --> 00:20:21,919
you know let's get this out so people

522
00:20:26,549 --> 00:20:24,240
can discuss it um you know i'm not going

523
00:20:28,390 --> 00:20:26,559
to rehash the the discussion about why

524
00:20:30,390 --> 00:20:28,400
they came out for and why they did it

525
00:20:32,549 --> 00:20:30,400
their motivation but it happened that

526
00:20:34,630 --> 00:20:32,559
way it wasn't it wasn't an official

527
00:20:36,710 --> 00:20:34,640
release by any means in terms of you

528
00:20:38,149 --> 00:20:36,720
know an orchestrated campaign by the

529
00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:38,159
department of defense to say yes we're

530
00:20:40,789 --> 00:20:39,280
going to put these out in the public

531
00:20:43,590 --> 00:20:40,799
realm that they came out through the

532
00:20:45,350 --> 00:20:43,600
back door effectively

533
00:20:49,350 --> 00:20:45,360
mark do you think they're compelled to

534
00:20:51,510 --> 00:20:49,360
go forward and start releasing more well

535
00:20:53,430 --> 00:20:51,520
not unless somebody gets them by the arm

536
00:20:56,149 --> 00:20:53,440
and pulls it behind their back and

537
00:20:58,549 --> 00:20:56,159
forces it to they they have taken a

538
00:21:01,110 --> 00:20:58,559
closed stance to this from the get-go

539
00:21:04,310 --> 00:21:01,120
from 1947 on

540
00:21:06,149 --> 00:21:04,320
and uh there i don't see that changing

541
00:21:06,950 --> 00:21:06,159
anytime soon

542
00:21:09,270 --> 00:21:06,960
for

543
00:21:29,270 --> 00:21:09,280
i

544
00:21:33,270 --> 00:21:29,280
you take you know the bob lazar

545
00:21:36,630 --> 00:21:33,280
information the information i have

546
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:36,640
obviously these craft are flying around

547
00:21:41,990 --> 00:21:39,280
that is not something that you know

548
00:21:44,630 --> 00:21:42,000
we've made homegrown here without some

549
00:21:46,789 --> 00:21:44,640
sort of help i mean there's

550
00:21:49,350 --> 00:21:46,799
they're flying around with

551
00:21:52,230 --> 00:21:49,360
mach 20

552
00:21:54,549 --> 00:21:52,240
and they're making right turns

553
00:21:57,110 --> 00:21:54,559
at 10 000 miles an hour

554
00:21:59,110 --> 00:21:57,120
there's no aircraft we have that can do

555
00:22:01,350 --> 00:21:59,120
that so let's let's

556
00:22:03,510 --> 00:22:01,360
let's move beyond that you know wonder

557
00:22:05,750 --> 00:22:03,520
where they are wonder where they're here

558
00:22:06,950 --> 00:22:05,760
they've been here for tens of thousands

559
00:22:08,950 --> 00:22:06,960
of years

560
00:22:11,029 --> 00:22:08,960
and there's lots of testimony from

561
00:22:14,390 --> 00:22:11,039
people who you know claim to have been

562
00:22:17,270 --> 00:22:14,400
taken aboard either they're all lying or

563
00:22:18,950 --> 00:22:17,280
some of them are telling the truth and

564
00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:18,960
it's time to just

565
00:22:22,870 --> 00:22:21,440
take that information and say keep an

566
00:22:24,710 --> 00:22:22,880
open mind

567
00:22:27,029 --> 00:22:24,720
and let's try to figure out how they

568
00:22:29,430 --> 00:22:27,039
work so i've moved beyond

569
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,440
are they here are they not here who it

570
00:22:36,230 --> 00:22:32,559
is i'm saying yeah okay there's advanced

571
00:22:39,110 --> 00:22:36,240
alien technology we're using it

572
00:22:41,590 --> 00:22:39,120
we've developed it to some point

573
00:22:44,630 --> 00:22:41,600
since we've been scooping up all the

574
00:22:46,630 --> 00:22:44,640
crashed aircraft all around the world

575
00:22:49,430 --> 00:22:46,640
before anybody else can get them in most

576
00:22:51,270 --> 00:22:49,440
cases taking them back here and reverse

577
00:22:54,630 --> 00:22:51,280
engineering them

578
00:22:55,669 --> 00:22:54,640
it's time to try to figure out how they

579
00:22:59,190 --> 00:22:55,679
work

580
00:23:01,669 --> 00:22:59,200
so we can advance our civilization i'm

581
00:23:03,750 --> 00:23:01,679
taking this thing to the next step

582
00:23:06,310 --> 00:23:03,760
and that's what i'm i want to get on

583
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:06,320
with i'm interested in what you guys

584
00:23:09,750 --> 00:23:07,520
have studied

585
00:23:11,029 --> 00:23:09,760
any kind of information

586
00:23:13,750 --> 00:23:11,039
about

587
00:23:16,390 --> 00:23:13,760
the the capabilities

588
00:23:17,669 --> 00:23:16,400
and any type of interference did these

589
00:23:19,830 --> 00:23:17,679
aircraft

590
00:23:21,830 --> 00:23:19,840
have given to the

591
00:23:22,950 --> 00:23:21,840
other people who have watched their cars

592
00:23:25,110 --> 00:23:22,960
stalling

593
00:23:27,590 --> 00:23:25,120
radio's not working

594
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:27,600
humming sounds they hear all that's

595
00:23:32,950 --> 00:23:29,760
information we need to

596
00:23:34,950 --> 00:23:32,960
put together and build some sort of

597
00:23:38,310 --> 00:23:34,960
idea how they work

598
00:23:41,909 --> 00:23:38,320
and that's that's my main focus now

599
00:23:43,750 --> 00:23:41,919
and working with gravity and antigravity

600
00:23:45,830 --> 00:23:43,760
so this is a question to all yours and

601
00:23:49,029 --> 00:23:45,840
if you've got something to say just just

602
00:23:52,070 --> 00:23:49,039
chime in um

603
00:23:53,269 --> 00:23:52,080
the techno technology advance that we've

604
00:23:55,909 --> 00:23:53,279
gone through

605
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,919
especially in the past

606
00:23:59,909 --> 00:23:57,520
50-plus years

607
00:24:02,310 --> 00:23:59,919
do you think it's because

608
00:24:05,510 --> 00:24:02,320
of the ufo phenomena that has been

609
00:24:07,990 --> 00:24:05,520
collected uh and you talk about reverse

610
00:24:09,830 --> 00:24:08,000
engineering but other aspects that they

611
00:24:11,669 --> 00:24:09,840
may have discovered you think there's

612
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:11,679
something there that we have taken

613
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:14,480
advantage of or been given somehow

614
00:24:20,390 --> 00:24:16,799
i'd actually like to hear graeme's

615
00:24:22,789 --> 00:24:20,400
response first before we respond

616
00:24:25,510 --> 00:24:22,799
okay so in terms of marcus mentioning

617
00:24:27,830 --> 00:24:25,520
effects on you know butter from craft or

618
00:24:28,630 --> 00:24:27,840
from objects um

619
00:24:31,590 --> 00:24:28,640
my

620
00:24:33,750 --> 00:24:31,600
sort of looking at the the wartime cases

621
00:24:36,149 --> 00:24:33,760
there are certainly cases of where

622
00:24:38,630 --> 00:24:36,159
aircraft were affected by things that

623
00:24:40,149 --> 00:24:38,640
were seen by pilots and aircrew there's

624
00:24:42,230 --> 00:24:40,159
one particular case that happened right

625
00:24:43,830 --> 00:24:42,240
at the end of the war in europe where a

626
00:24:45,669 --> 00:24:43,840
huge object went past the front of a

627
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,679
lancaster bomber and all the engines

628
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,200
failed

629
00:24:50,870 --> 00:24:49,679
but there are other stories of um you

630
00:24:52,549 --> 00:24:50,880
know sort of

631
00:24:54,390 --> 00:24:52,559
the foo fighters not being picked up on

632
00:24:56,230 --> 00:24:54,400
radar and that's another and that's a

633
00:24:58,630 --> 00:24:56,240
quite a common theme these things were

634
00:25:00,710 --> 00:24:58,640
not picked up either by airborne radar

635
00:25:03,430 --> 00:25:00,720
from the night fighters or by ground

636
00:25:06,390 --> 00:25:03,440
radar so you can look at that as well as

637
00:25:08,230 --> 00:25:06,400
to why that's the case but back then

638
00:25:09,909 --> 00:25:08,240
that wasn't the case when

639
00:25:12,230 --> 00:25:09,919
we were affected we were allegedly

640
00:25:13,590 --> 00:25:12,240
recovering craft of descriptions unless

641
00:25:16,230 --> 00:25:13,600
of course you believe the stories from

642
00:25:17,909 --> 00:25:16,240
italy in the 19th early 1930s

643
00:25:19,669 --> 00:25:17,919
and there are also stories that the the

644
00:25:21,190 --> 00:25:19,679
nazis are supposed to have reverse

645
00:25:22,710 --> 00:25:21,200
engineered stuff that they've picked up

646
00:25:25,350 --> 00:25:22,720
over the years there were stories about

647
00:25:26,950 --> 00:25:25,360
something crashed in poland in 1938 that

648
00:25:29,590 --> 00:25:26,960
was supposed to be recovered but these

649
00:25:31,909 --> 00:25:29,600
are stories and there are a whole load

650
00:25:33,590 --> 00:25:31,919
of um if you look at websites etc you'll

651
00:25:35,190 --> 00:25:33,600
see stories about the the germans

652
00:25:36,710 --> 00:25:35,200
building their own flying discs

653
00:25:38,789 --> 00:25:36,720
unfortunately when you look at that in

654
00:25:40,549 --> 00:25:38,799
in greater detail you find it boils down

655
00:25:42,710 --> 00:25:40,559
to a whole load of people claiming stuff

656
00:25:44,710 --> 00:25:42,720
in the early 1950s through newspaper

657
00:25:46,950 --> 00:25:44,720
articles and there's no substance to it

658
00:25:49,029 --> 00:25:46,960
whatsoever so anybody who thinks that

659
00:25:50,149 --> 00:25:49,039
you know the nazis built flying sources

660
00:25:51,750 --> 00:25:50,159
they're gonna have to do a hell of a lot

661
00:25:54,070 --> 00:25:51,760
better than that to come up with

662
00:25:55,590 --> 00:25:54,080
information that actually can prove that

663
00:25:57,510 --> 00:25:55,600
that ever happened

664
00:25:59,269 --> 00:25:57,520
now in terms of

665
00:26:00,789 --> 00:25:59,279
did recoveries and things happen

666
00:26:03,590 --> 00:26:00,799
afterwards

667
00:26:05,669 --> 00:26:03,600
i'm not entirely sure that reverse

668
00:26:07,029 --> 00:26:05,679
engineering has happened i mean with a

669
00:26:08,950 --> 00:26:07,039
great deal of respect to mark and what

670
00:26:11,830 --> 00:26:08,960
he's found out that that might be the

671
00:26:12,870 --> 00:26:11,840
case but my sort of you know sort of

672
00:26:18,390 --> 00:26:12,880
suspect

673
00:26:20,310 --> 00:26:18,400
then it's things they can't understand

674
00:26:22,149 --> 00:26:20,320
and they're still looking at it and they

675
00:26:24,549 --> 00:26:22,159
may not be able to actually you know

676
00:26:27,190 --> 00:26:24,559
reverse engineer it and fly it it's

677
00:26:29,590 --> 00:26:27,200
almost like my analogy is give sir isaac

678
00:26:30,870 --> 00:26:29,600
newton an iphone

679
00:26:32,630 --> 00:26:30,880
he'll look at it and you won't even know

680
00:26:35,269 --> 00:26:32,640
what the concept of it is never mind how

681
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:35,279
it works or how you power it up and then

682
00:26:40,470 --> 00:26:37,760
once the battery goes it's just a hunk

683
00:26:42,230 --> 00:26:40,480
of metal and glass you can't use it if

684
00:26:44,310 --> 00:26:42,240
he opens it up you won't understand

685
00:26:46,390 --> 00:26:44,320
what's inside it because it's way beyond

686
00:26:49,830 --> 00:26:46,400
these ken you can't understand how it

687
00:26:51,909 --> 00:26:49,840
works and then so if the americans say

688
00:26:54,310 --> 00:26:51,919
got things from the roswell crash in 47

689
00:26:55,669 --> 00:26:54,320
if that happened then it might be stuff

690
00:26:57,110 --> 00:26:55,679
that they simply can't understand and

691
00:26:58,710 --> 00:26:57,120
all they do is with a current

692
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,720
understanding and even with the best

693
00:27:01,190 --> 00:27:00,320
people in the world they look at it and

694
00:27:03,110 --> 00:27:01,200
think

695
00:27:05,190 --> 00:27:03,120
don't know what this is they put it away

696
00:27:06,630 --> 00:27:05,200
for a few years and then go back to it

697
00:27:07,830 --> 00:27:06,640
when there's more developments and

698
00:27:09,909 --> 00:27:07,840
developments in science and

699
00:27:11,750 --> 00:27:09,919
understanding and knowledge etc and then

700
00:27:12,950 --> 00:27:11,760
that just keeps happening every so often

701
00:27:14,549 --> 00:27:12,960
and they might get a little bit more the

702
00:27:15,990 --> 00:27:14,559
puzzle each time but they're probably

703
00:27:18,470 --> 00:27:16,000
still not the point where they can fly

704
00:27:20,310 --> 00:27:18,480
these things or if they are they're much

705
00:27:23,110 --> 00:27:20,320
less capable than whatever they've

706
00:27:25,029 --> 00:27:23,120
picked up in the first place um i'm not

707
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:25,039
entirely sure that our developments have

708
00:27:28,549 --> 00:27:26,799
got the point where they're replicating

709
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,559
things from other worlds i don't think

710
00:27:33,590 --> 00:27:30,960
our understanding is that far advanced

711
00:27:37,029 --> 00:27:33,600
but i do agree that there are stuff

712
00:27:39,510 --> 00:27:37,039
flying around there that we have built

713
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,520
that does simulate some of the

714
00:27:44,149 --> 00:27:41,679
capabilities that have been observed

715
00:27:45,909 --> 00:27:44,159
over the years and as far as the

716
00:27:48,389 --> 00:27:45,919
phenomenon goes yes

717
00:27:50,549 --> 00:27:48,399
it's admitted in documents that it is

718
00:27:52,149 --> 00:27:50,559
real that something is is you know out

719
00:27:53,750 --> 00:27:52,159
there something's happening you look

720
00:27:57,029 --> 00:27:53,760
back to the project signed technical

721
00:27:58,870 --> 00:27:57,039
report from february 1949 and it says in

722
00:28:00,950 --> 00:27:58,880
that that you know there is a real

723
00:28:02,870 --> 00:28:00,960
phenomenon here the grudge or technical

724
00:28:04,310 --> 00:28:02,880
report says exactly the same thing so

725
00:28:05,430 --> 00:28:04,320
it's not as if you know nobody's

726
00:28:07,029 --> 00:28:05,440
admitted that there's something

727
00:28:11,830 --> 00:28:07,039
happening it's just a question of what

728
00:28:18,549 --> 00:28:15,350
sorry that's not necessarily palatable

729
00:28:20,149 --> 00:28:18,559
anybody want to follow up on that

730
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:20,159
well

731
00:28:24,230 --> 00:28:22,000
other people have said

732
00:28:26,789 --> 00:28:24,240
made this claim is there's technology

733
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:26,799
let's face it they're not likely just to

734
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,279
be a hundred years ahead of us or a

735
00:28:31,990 --> 00:28:30,640
thousand

736
00:28:34,070 --> 00:28:32,000
it's probably going to be in the

737
00:28:36,789 --> 00:28:34,080
millions

738
00:28:39,029 --> 00:28:36,799
and and so yeah that stuff is going to

739
00:28:42,230 --> 00:28:39,039
be really hard

740
00:28:45,750 --> 00:28:42,240
to the technology itself because of the

741
00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,760
advancements of of how they develop

742
00:28:51,830 --> 00:28:47,840
their hardware

743
00:28:53,269 --> 00:28:51,840
advanced it's going to look like magic

744
00:28:54,470 --> 00:28:53,279
to us

745
00:28:56,870 --> 00:28:54,480
but

746
00:29:00,230 --> 00:28:56,880
they're bound by the same laws of

747
00:29:03,350 --> 00:29:00,240
physics that we already know about now

748
00:29:04,470 --> 00:29:03,360
magnetism electrostatic fields and

749
00:29:09,350 --> 00:29:04,480
gravity

750
00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:09,360
they're going to have to use

751
00:29:14,389 --> 00:29:11,760
one of those three fields or a

752
00:29:15,750 --> 00:29:14,399
combination in order to achieve that

753
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:15,760
they're bound to that because this

754
00:29:20,310 --> 00:29:19,520
universe is just not that complicated

755
00:29:22,630 --> 00:29:20,320
so

756
00:29:25,990 --> 00:29:22,640
even though we might look at like their

757
00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,000
power supply and say how does this work

758
00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:29,120
it's just a slab of plexiglass

759
00:29:34,070 --> 00:29:32,000
and and somehow there's no wires coming

760
00:29:36,789 --> 00:29:34,080
out of it but it's feeding all the other

761
00:29:38,070 --> 00:29:36,799
circuits this is according to bob lazar

762
00:29:40,389 --> 00:29:38,080
and others

763
00:29:42,470 --> 00:29:40,399
who have made the same claim okay so

764
00:29:45,110 --> 00:29:42,480
that's really confusing we don't know

765
00:29:47,190 --> 00:29:45,120
how this zero point energy system works

766
00:29:49,350 --> 00:29:47,200
but apparently it does

767
00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:49,360
and

768
00:29:52,230 --> 00:29:51,039
so

769
00:29:53,269 --> 00:29:52,240
we can

770
00:29:55,110 --> 00:29:53,279
take

771
00:29:56,710 --> 00:29:55,120
some information that's why i'm

772
00:29:58,389 --> 00:29:56,720
interested in these reports where the

773
00:30:01,990 --> 00:29:58,399
engines cut off

774
00:30:03,830 --> 00:30:02,000
and and the radios go off and and and

775
00:30:06,070 --> 00:30:03,840
there's interference because that's an

776
00:30:08,310 --> 00:30:06,080
indication of electromagnetic

777
00:30:10,950 --> 00:30:08,320
interference this is something we know

778
00:30:13,669 --> 00:30:10,960
about or magnetic interference with

779
00:30:18,230 --> 00:30:13,679
circuitry which can cause engines to cut

780
00:30:24,230 --> 00:30:20,789
these things we could

781
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:24,240
reverse engineer and figure out so

782
00:30:28,630 --> 00:30:25,919
basically

783
00:30:31,029 --> 00:30:28,640
as i have researched in my book i i

784
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:31,039
i'm very sure

785
00:30:36,470 --> 00:30:33,760
that the entry-level anti-gravity

786
00:30:38,870 --> 00:30:36,480
technology has to do with um

787
00:30:41,110 --> 00:30:38,880
high magnetics and in particular

788
00:30:43,510 --> 00:30:41,120
magnetics in motion

789
00:30:44,870 --> 00:30:43,520
and this has an effect on space and i

790
00:30:47,590 --> 00:30:44,880
you know i can get into a lot of

791
00:30:50,630 --> 00:30:47,600
technical stuff here but the bottom line

792
00:30:53,590 --> 00:30:50,640
is that's understandable

793
00:30:57,029 --> 00:30:53,600
now maybe they've out sophisticated us

794
00:30:59,430 --> 00:30:57,039
with their advanced molecular and atomic

795
00:31:01,830 --> 00:30:59,440
uh technology their integrated circuits

796
00:31:04,389 --> 00:31:01,840
are so well beyond us it you know we

797
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:04,399
can't fathom what's going on but if we

798
00:31:07,269 --> 00:31:06,480
put sensors around this stuff and i'm

799
00:31:09,269 --> 00:31:07,279
sure

800
00:31:10,870 --> 00:31:09,279
if i thought of it the government has

801
00:31:12,149 --> 00:31:10,880
thought of it and all the physicists

802
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:12,159
they've hired

803
00:31:17,350 --> 00:31:14,320
that they're going to reverse engineer

804
00:31:19,190 --> 00:31:17,360
this by what the things are emitting how

805
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,200
they're emitting at what frequencies and

806
00:31:23,669 --> 00:31:21,120
so forth and they're eventually going to

807
00:31:25,509 --> 00:31:23,679
get to the point especially if they've

808
00:31:27,029 --> 00:31:25,519
had contact

809
00:31:29,669 --> 00:31:27,039
this is one thing that we're not

810
00:31:33,350 --> 00:31:29,679
considering here well some of these

811
00:31:36,070 --> 00:31:33,360
people or these crashes they have

812
00:31:37,350 --> 00:31:36,080
been claimed that they have uh on

813
00:31:38,870 --> 00:31:37,360
survivors

814
00:31:41,029 --> 00:31:38,880
and they've been able to communicate

815
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:41,039
with it well this gives us a big

816
00:31:46,070 --> 00:31:43,919
advantage to figuring out exactly how

817
00:31:49,190 --> 00:31:46,080
these things work because they could say

818
00:31:52,310 --> 00:31:49,200
well works like this doing this and that

819
00:31:54,470 --> 00:31:52,320
and so i think it's entirely possible

820
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,480
and i'm really beyond the point we're

821
00:31:58,870 --> 00:31:56,480
wondering about it or not

822
00:32:01,350 --> 00:31:58,880
i'm pretty pretty confident that we have

823
00:32:02,710 --> 00:32:01,360
it we know about it we we know a lot

824
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:02,720
more than

825
00:32:07,110 --> 00:32:05,600
than most people realize and

826
00:32:10,149 --> 00:32:07,120
that's why i

827
00:32:11,269 --> 00:32:10,159
built my own lab and i'm building my own

828
00:32:12,789 --> 00:32:11,279
equipment

829
00:32:15,269 --> 00:32:12,799
to verify

830
00:32:17,750 --> 00:32:15,279
the process of making an anti-gravity

831
00:32:20,310 --> 00:32:17,760
field so interesting

832
00:32:21,190 --> 00:32:20,320
well you know regular scientists they

833
00:32:22,470 --> 00:32:21,200
want

834
00:32:24,549 --> 00:32:22,480
data

835
00:32:26,470 --> 00:32:24,559
they want evidence that they can

836
00:32:28,630 --> 00:32:26,480
comprehend so

837
00:32:30,789 --> 00:32:28,640
okay all right you know what it's it's

838
00:32:33,750 --> 00:32:30,799
time to stop talking about this stuff

839
00:32:36,789 --> 00:32:33,760
and take action and so that's the next

840
00:32:38,630 --> 00:32:36,799
logical step i said i know how this all

841
00:32:41,269 --> 00:32:38,640
works i worked it out

842
00:32:44,070 --> 00:32:41,279
and and now i got to prove it so that's

843
00:32:46,950 --> 00:32:44,080
that's the deal there so

844
00:32:48,630 --> 00:32:46,960
you know i'm gonna just say i'm beyond

845
00:32:50,710 --> 00:32:48,640
wondering if they're here or not

846
00:32:53,269 --> 00:32:50,720
wondering if there's advanced technology

847
00:32:56,549 --> 00:32:53,279
so i'm i'm pretty on board with that

848
00:32:58,549 --> 00:32:56,559
yeah and um and i agree with you i i

849
00:32:59,909 --> 00:32:58,559
think there there is definitely some

850
00:33:01,990 --> 00:32:59,919
something here or

851
00:33:03,990 --> 00:33:02,000
has been or has been involved with this

852
00:33:07,909 --> 00:33:04,000
you know

853
00:33:11,110 --> 00:33:07,919
my my father was in the air force and um

854
00:33:14,549 --> 00:33:11,120
he was in the 509th bomber wing

855
00:33:16,789 --> 00:33:14,559
now this was after roswell he was he was

856
00:33:18,630 --> 00:33:16,799
stationed in 52

857
00:33:20,470 --> 00:33:18,640
and um

858
00:33:22,870 --> 00:33:20,480
but he heard a lot of stories from guys

859
00:33:24,470 --> 00:33:22,880
who were in the in that were there at

860
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,480
roswell

861
00:33:28,470 --> 00:33:26,880
now my dad never talked much about it he

862
00:33:31,350 --> 00:33:28,480
he just decided he would never do it he

863
00:33:35,110 --> 00:33:31,360
was also with strategic air command

864
00:33:36,630 --> 00:33:35,120
and uh but i used to tag along

865
00:33:38,310 --> 00:33:36,640
with him

866
00:33:39,909 --> 00:33:38,320
to the reunions because the five and

867
00:33:42,149 --> 00:33:39,919
ninth used to have the reunions at

868
00:33:43,029 --> 00:33:42,159
wright patterson so my dad would take me

869
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:43,039
there

870
00:33:46,470 --> 00:33:45,120
and i got to talk to a few of these guys

871
00:33:49,029 --> 00:33:46,480
and um

872
00:33:50,830 --> 00:33:49,039
they were never very specific but when

873
00:33:54,470 --> 00:33:50,840
you did mention

874
00:33:55,750 --> 00:33:54,480
it you could always see that something

875
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:55,760
happened

876
00:33:59,669 --> 00:33:58,000
that they didn't really want to comment

877
00:34:00,870 --> 00:33:59,679
on so i believe

878
00:34:02,470 --> 00:34:00,880
personally

879
00:34:05,110 --> 00:34:02,480
that something really did happen at

880
00:34:06,789 --> 00:34:05,120
roswell and of course i i believe there

881
00:34:10,710 --> 00:34:06,799
have been other

882
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,720
you know other crash retrievals as well

883
00:34:14,389 --> 00:34:12,000
do you have anything do you think

884
00:34:16,310 --> 00:34:14,399
anything about that luke

885
00:34:18,790 --> 00:34:16,320
absolutely um

886
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,800
well now that our technology is coming

887
00:34:24,470 --> 00:34:20,639
into uh

888
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,480
a new new form um with especially with

889
00:34:30,869 --> 00:34:26,879
the jwst

890
00:34:32,829 --> 00:34:30,879
jones web space telescope

891
00:34:35,109 --> 00:34:32,839
we're discovering more

892
00:34:36,069 --> 00:34:35,119
exoplanets than ever

893
00:34:39,109 --> 00:34:36,079
and

894
00:34:41,909 --> 00:34:39,119
scientists can't confirm at the moment

895
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:41,919
that intelligent life exists

896
00:34:44,069 --> 00:34:42,800
but

897
00:34:46,629 --> 00:34:44,079
i believe

898
00:34:49,669 --> 00:34:46,639
we're in the golden era of

899
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,679
we we could possibly prove this

900
00:34:54,470 --> 00:34:52,480
with this technology so

901
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:54,480
um

902
00:34:59,829 --> 00:34:57,440
it's very close to fully operational the

903
00:35:02,150 --> 00:34:59,839
jwst

904
00:35:05,109 --> 00:35:02,160
it'll be operational in the next month

905
00:35:07,589 --> 00:35:05,119
and they'll be sending through

906
00:35:13,109 --> 00:35:07,599
the first

907
00:35:17,030 --> 00:35:13,119
ones because it'll be fully operational

908
00:35:18,710 --> 00:35:17,040
and i believe that these exoplanets will

909
00:35:21,349 --> 00:35:18,720
harbor life

910
00:35:22,710 --> 00:35:21,359
um we're actually going to find life for

911
00:35:23,990 --> 00:35:22,720
the first time

912
00:35:27,670 --> 00:35:24,000
and

913
00:35:30,790 --> 00:35:27,680
i'll rather dice with this one i'll

914
00:35:33,190 --> 00:35:30,800
i'll back myself up and i think this

915
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:33,200
will happen and it will change

916
00:35:38,150 --> 00:35:36,240
everything that we believe in

917
00:35:39,670 --> 00:35:38,160
it'll also change

918
00:35:41,670 --> 00:35:39,680
that

919
00:35:43,670 --> 00:35:41,680
we can only look back

920
00:35:48,310 --> 00:35:43,680
with the hubble

921
00:35:50,470 --> 00:35:48,320
about 3.8 billion years in the unit 13.8

922
00:35:51,910 --> 00:35:50,480
billion years correction

923
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:51,920
um

924
00:35:58,390 --> 00:35:55,119
now we'll be able to look even further

925
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:58,400
perhaps 15 16 billion years

926
00:36:05,829 --> 00:36:01,520
so what's past that point um

927
00:36:09,750 --> 00:36:08,069
now graham you wrote about foo fighters

928
00:36:11,829 --> 00:36:09,760
and i'm fascinated with the foo fighter

929
00:36:14,069 --> 00:36:11,839
phenomena that

930
00:36:16,390 --> 00:36:14,079
happened over during world war ii

931
00:36:18,390 --> 00:36:16,400
uh after going back and looking at the

932
00:36:20,870 --> 00:36:18,400
korean war and other wars there there's

933
00:36:23,109 --> 00:36:20,880
been always been some type of ufo

934
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,119
phenomena that has been associated with

935
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:25,200
with these conflicts

936
00:36:30,390 --> 00:36:27,760
uh do you believe that uh they are

937
00:36:32,390 --> 00:36:30,400
somehow monitor monitoring you know

938
00:36:33,670 --> 00:36:32,400
these conflicts

939
00:36:35,829 --> 00:36:33,680
there's a school of thought that thinks

940
00:36:38,069 --> 00:36:35,839
they're attracted to that kind of um you

941
00:36:39,910 --> 00:36:38,079
know kind of warfare or that they've

942
00:36:42,310 --> 00:36:39,920
been attracted to the the sort of

943
00:36:44,630 --> 00:36:42,320
development of that of atomic technology

944
00:36:46,630 --> 00:36:44,640
atom bombs etc um

945
00:36:48,069 --> 00:36:46,640
the real the possibility is there's just

946
00:36:49,510 --> 00:36:48,079
there's so many people flying around i

947
00:36:51,349 --> 00:36:49,520
mean world war ii you're looking at tens

948
00:36:53,589 --> 00:36:51,359
of thousands of people flying around at

949
00:36:55,430 --> 00:36:53,599
night um looking out you know

950
00:36:57,030 --> 00:36:55,440
desperately for other aircraft because

951
00:36:58,550 --> 00:36:57,040
that was their job and then people on

952
00:37:00,390 --> 00:36:58,560
the ground who were looking for aircraft

953
00:37:02,550 --> 00:37:00,400
you know in a heightened state of alert

954
00:37:03,829 --> 00:37:02,560
and their job was to observe the skies

955
00:37:05,109 --> 00:37:03,839
and if they're in an aircraft you'd be

956
00:37:07,589 --> 00:37:05,119
looking out for night fighters or other

957
00:37:10,710 --> 00:37:07,599
aircraft etc etc so a lot of highly

958
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,720
motivated highly trained uh people who

959
00:37:14,550 --> 00:37:12,240
would be able to report stuff and they

960
00:37:16,230 --> 00:37:14,560
were encouraged to report things as well

961
00:37:18,550 --> 00:37:16,240
so you know you've got everything coming

962
00:37:20,550 --> 00:37:18,560
together at once to have a perfect storm

963
00:37:22,710 --> 00:37:20,560
for people to actually report stuff like

964
00:37:24,870 --> 00:37:22,720
this anything out of the ordinary would

965
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:24,880
have been suspected to be a new form of

966
00:37:28,870 --> 00:37:26,400
enemy secret weapons whether they were

967
00:37:30,310 --> 00:37:28,880
german or japanese or whatever so you

968
00:37:31,829 --> 00:37:30,320
know that's when you're going to get

969
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:31,839
these kind of reports

970
00:37:35,190 --> 00:37:32,640
and

971
00:37:36,790 --> 00:37:35,200
the the the allied air intelligence did

972
00:37:38,470 --> 00:37:36,800
actually take them seriously and they

973
00:37:40,470 --> 00:37:38,480
did do a lot of kind of you know

974
00:37:42,069 --> 00:37:40,480
analysis of various reports to try and

975
00:37:44,230 --> 00:37:42,079
find out what was at the bottom of this

976
00:37:47,190 --> 00:37:44,240
they got nowhere because there was

977
00:37:48,950 --> 00:37:47,200
nothing to actually um to prove it

978
00:37:50,790 --> 00:37:48,960
wasn't like they were looking at v1s or

979
00:37:52,710 --> 00:37:50,800
v2s where you could get photographs you

980
00:37:54,310 --> 00:37:52,720
could get hardware crash bits that they

981
00:37:56,390 --> 00:37:54,320
could hold in their hands and look at

982
00:37:58,230 --> 00:37:56,400
and do the kind of reverse engineering

983
00:37:59,589 --> 00:37:58,240
that your mark's been talking about they

984
00:38:02,069 --> 00:37:59,599
could actually put these bits together

985
00:38:03,670 --> 00:38:02,079
and see how these things worked because

986
00:38:06,310 --> 00:38:03,680
these would end ended up just being

987
00:38:08,950 --> 00:38:06,320
stories there were no real photographs

988
00:38:10,790 --> 00:38:08,960
there are a loot and um you know stories

989
00:38:12,230 --> 00:38:10,800
by photographs being taken at the time

990
00:38:13,829 --> 00:38:12,240
but those photographs have never

991
00:38:15,670 --> 00:38:13,839
appeared and the ones that you see in

992
00:38:17,030 --> 00:38:15,680
the media at the moment who knows what

993
00:38:19,270 --> 00:38:17,040
the hell they are they could just be

994
00:38:21,349 --> 00:38:19,280
defects on the film the japanese

995
00:38:22,710 --> 00:38:21,359
pictures the japanese had a shortage of

996
00:38:24,310 --> 00:38:22,720
certain materials for the development

997
00:38:26,230 --> 00:38:24,320
process and that's why their pictures

998
00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,240
are a certain fashion so therefore it

999
00:38:29,589 --> 00:38:27,680
was a case of you know these things

1000
00:38:31,270 --> 00:38:29,599
could just be defects on the film for

1001
00:38:33,109 --> 00:38:31,280
all people know and there's no context

1002
00:38:34,230 --> 00:38:33,119
to these pitches either so the one where

1003
00:38:36,310 --> 00:38:34,240
you see the two aircraft with that

1004
00:38:38,950 --> 00:38:36,320
little blob in the middle um you know

1005
00:38:41,910 --> 00:38:38,960
who knows what the hell that is but the

1006
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:41,920
the actual the phenomenon itself is real

1007
00:38:44,950 --> 00:38:43,520
because you see it reported in squadron

1008
00:38:47,109 --> 00:38:44,960
records you see it reported near

1009
00:38:49,190 --> 00:38:47,119
intelligence records in operational

1010
00:38:51,270 --> 00:38:49,200
research obama command records where

1011
00:38:53,589 --> 00:38:51,280
they did the operational analysis

1012
00:38:55,190 --> 00:38:53,599
and the germans are supposed to have

1013
00:38:57,750 --> 00:38:55,200
come across the same things before

1014
00:39:00,069 --> 00:38:57,760
however there's a problem because

1015
00:39:01,990 --> 00:39:00,079
those reports are few and far between

1016
00:39:03,990 --> 00:39:02,000
there's lots of anecdotal evidence about

1017
00:39:05,349 --> 00:39:04,000
all the germans saw them too and here's

1018
00:39:07,270 --> 00:39:05,359
a whole load of stuff about them but

1019
00:39:09,510 --> 00:39:07,280
when you delve into it you can't find

1020
00:39:11,750 --> 00:39:09,520
them because they just

1021
00:39:13,430 --> 00:39:11,760
seemingly don't exist but there are

1022
00:39:15,190 --> 00:39:13,440
stories about them i did find some

1023
00:39:17,510 --> 00:39:15,200
reports for the book but there aren't

1024
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:17,520
many but yes there are tons of american

1025
00:39:22,310 --> 00:39:20,720
reports and raf reports uh the raf

1026
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:22,320
reports are much earlier than the war as

1027
00:39:26,230 --> 00:39:24,400
well in the american ones um the

1028
00:39:28,470 --> 00:39:26,240
american reports are only for a certain

1029
00:39:30,790 --> 00:39:28,480
area in parts of europe and italy but

1030
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:30,800
the rf reports are all over europe

1031
00:39:34,950 --> 00:39:32,960
including the balkans north africa uh

1032
00:39:37,670 --> 00:39:34,960
you know you name it sort of thing so

1033
00:39:39,510 --> 00:39:37,680
it's a very wide-ranging phenomenon and

1034
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,520
it's not just lights you're talking

1035
00:39:44,870 --> 00:39:42,079
about structured craft as well some 200

1036
00:39:46,390 --> 00:39:44,880
to 300 foot long torpedo shed objects

1037
00:39:48,390 --> 00:39:46,400
from you know which

1038
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:48,400
are appear to be airships but why would

1039
00:39:52,470 --> 00:39:50,240
there be airships in a war zone the

1040
00:39:53,829 --> 00:39:52,480
other the two who are too vulnerable and

1041
00:39:55,510 --> 00:39:53,839
and a lot of other things that happened

1042
00:39:57,589 --> 00:39:55,520
in the daytime as well it wasn't just a

1043
00:40:00,150 --> 00:39:57,599
nighttime phenomenon so yes there was a

1044
00:40:01,670 --> 00:40:00,160
lot going on um it doesn't make any

1045
00:40:03,670 --> 00:40:01,680
sense whatsoever when you look at the

1046
00:40:06,230 --> 00:40:03,680
kind of german secret technology that

1047
00:40:08,230 --> 00:40:06,240
they were developing you can't match it

1048
00:40:09,750 --> 00:40:08,240
um from a historian's point of view and

1049
00:40:12,390 --> 00:40:09,760
what people know about the war and what

1050
00:40:14,630 --> 00:40:12,400
people investigated and the records they

1051
00:40:16,390 --> 00:40:14,640
don't match and i know people in your

1052
00:40:18,790 --> 00:40:16,400
chat have been mentioning about german

1053
00:40:20,390 --> 00:40:18,800
flying sources and about the bell which

1054
00:40:22,710 --> 00:40:20,400
is supposed to have happened

1055
00:40:24,309 --> 00:40:22,720
unfortunately that's shaky because

1056
00:40:25,990 --> 00:40:24,319
although the polish guy who was

1057
00:40:27,829 --> 00:40:26,000
investigated listen to the towson has

1058
00:40:30,069 --> 00:40:27,839
come up with all this information

1059
00:40:32,710 --> 00:40:30,079
it's necessary just based on

1060
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:32,720
one person's um kind of being

1061
00:40:36,710 --> 00:40:34,560
interviewed by polish military

1062
00:40:38,710 --> 00:40:36,720
intelligence after the war and he was

1063
00:40:40,390 --> 00:40:38,720
allegedly sent to norway anyway because

1064
00:40:43,510 --> 00:40:40,400
he fell out he fell out of favor he was

1065
00:40:45,589 --> 00:40:43,520
an ss police leader um so it's on shaky

1066
00:40:47,589 --> 00:40:45,599
ground and there's not that much you

1067
00:40:49,109 --> 00:40:47,599
know sort of documentary evidence to

1068
00:40:50,870 --> 00:40:49,119
actually suggest that anything like that

1069
00:40:53,190 --> 00:40:50,880
was ever built there but these are great

1070
00:40:54,390 --> 00:40:53,200
stories and all the stories about nazi

1071
00:40:55,990 --> 00:40:54,400
uh you know flying saucers and

1072
00:40:58,069 --> 00:40:56,000
antarctica bases and all the rest of it

1073
00:41:00,069 --> 00:40:58,079
are wonderful stories but when you try

1074
00:41:02,069 --> 00:41:00,079
and dig down into it and try to get some

1075
00:41:04,630 --> 00:41:02,079
actual evidence and proof

1076
00:41:06,630 --> 00:41:04,640
you just don't find it so you know

1077
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,640
what can you say yeah i agree with you

1078
00:41:10,950 --> 00:41:08,720
you know i had i had someone who wanted

1079
00:41:12,069 --> 00:41:10,960
me to write a book about the nazis as

1080
00:41:14,150 --> 00:41:12,079
far as

1081
00:41:15,750 --> 00:41:14,160
ufo technology and other technologies

1082
00:41:17,030 --> 00:41:15,760
and i just told i said well there's not

1083
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:17,040
really that much out there it's all

1084
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:19,119
conjecture for the most part

1085
00:41:21,829 --> 00:41:20,400
and uh

1086
00:41:24,550 --> 00:41:21,839
you know and this is another question

1087
00:41:27,190 --> 00:41:24,560
i've got for all of you um

1088
00:41:29,109 --> 00:41:27,200
whoever wants to answer it

1089
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:29,119
there does seem to be some evidence that

1090
00:41:32,870 --> 00:41:31,200
these craft

1091
00:41:34,950 --> 00:41:32,880
seem to be uh

1092
00:41:37,750 --> 00:41:34,960
attracted to

1093
00:41:39,109 --> 00:41:37,760
uh nuclear sites or nuclear storage

1094
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:39,119
facilities

1095
00:41:42,550 --> 00:41:40,400
uh

1096
00:41:44,870 --> 00:41:42,560
do you think there is a reason behind

1097
00:41:47,349 --> 00:41:45,670
yeah

1098
00:41:50,870 --> 00:41:47,359
i do you know

1099
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:50,880
yeah here here's the worst case scenario

1100
00:41:55,030 --> 00:41:52,800
assuming we're going to imagine that

1101
00:41:56,309 --> 00:41:55,040
there really are aliens

1102
00:41:59,109 --> 00:41:56,319
et's

1103
00:42:01,510 --> 00:41:59,119
and they're observing us in our warlike

1104
00:42:05,270 --> 00:42:01,520
activities to see what capabilities we

1105
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:05,280
have right are we a threat to them

1106
00:42:12,150 --> 00:42:06,480
now

1107
00:42:15,270 --> 00:42:12,160
pretty serious weapon

1108
00:42:18,230 --> 00:42:15,280
but it's not a problem from for them

1109
00:42:20,950 --> 00:42:18,240
unless we have the technology that can

1110
00:42:23,430 --> 00:42:20,960
get us off this planet

1111
00:42:26,390 --> 00:42:23,440
now if we have

1112
00:42:29,270 --> 00:42:26,400
the same technology as they have where

1113
00:42:30,950 --> 00:42:29,280
they can go to other star systems

1114
00:42:32,950 --> 00:42:30,960
now we are a threat

1115
00:42:34,150 --> 00:42:32,960
because we could deliver missiles or we

1116
00:42:36,710 --> 00:42:34,160
can deliver

1117
00:42:38,309 --> 00:42:36,720
uh spacecraft that can

1118
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,319
uh unleash

1119
00:42:41,829 --> 00:42:40,560
untold amounts of damage on their home

1120
00:42:43,990 --> 00:42:41,839
planets

1121
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:44,000
so i would think they'd be very

1122
00:42:47,190 --> 00:42:46,000
interested in our

1123
00:42:50,069 --> 00:42:47,200
atomic

1124
00:42:51,750 --> 00:42:50,079
bombs and hydrogen bombs and so forth

1125
00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,760
and that

1126
00:42:56,870 --> 00:42:54,160
they really don't want that off of this

1127
00:42:58,390 --> 00:42:56,880
planet so i would think yeah that's a

1128
00:43:00,630 --> 00:42:58,400
good reason for them to

1129
00:43:03,510 --> 00:43:00,640
to see how advanced we are

1130
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:03,520
understand or take over our systems as

1131
00:43:08,710 --> 00:43:06,160
it's been reported

1132
00:43:10,630 --> 00:43:08,720
and so forth i definitely think they

1133
00:43:13,990 --> 00:43:10,640
have a legitimate

1134
00:43:15,589 --> 00:43:14,000
good reason for investigating our

1135
00:43:18,870 --> 00:43:15,599
facilities

1136
00:43:21,270 --> 00:43:18,880
because there's a concern if we do have

1137
00:43:22,630 --> 00:43:21,280
the uh interstellar

1138
00:43:25,430 --> 00:43:22,640
capability

1139
00:43:27,109 --> 00:43:25,440
uh then we are a threat

1140
00:43:29,589 --> 00:43:27,119
well let me follow up with that do you

1141
00:43:31,589 --> 00:43:29,599
think we do have the propulsion

1142
00:43:33,430 --> 00:43:31,599
capabilities or

1143
00:43:35,270 --> 00:43:33,440
in the near future to to be able to

1144
00:43:38,790 --> 00:43:35,280
handle that

1145
00:43:41,510 --> 00:43:38,800
yeah um my opinion based on my

1146
00:43:44,069 --> 00:43:41,520
my theory and how to create an

1147
00:43:46,710 --> 00:43:44,079
anti-gravity field

1148
00:43:48,870 --> 00:43:46,720
all you need is a lot of current

1149
00:43:50,390 --> 00:43:48,880
a lot

1150
00:43:53,430 --> 00:43:50,400
megawatts

1151
00:43:56,950 --> 00:43:53,440
in a small package so maybe a power

1152
00:43:59,030 --> 00:43:56,960
supply with the size of a basketball

1153
00:44:01,589 --> 00:43:59,040
something of that nature

1154
00:44:03,190 --> 00:44:01,599
delivering to the emitters the coils

1155
00:44:05,430 --> 00:44:03,200
that they use

1156
00:44:08,950 --> 00:44:05,440
that i believe they use in their ships

1157
00:44:11,190 --> 00:44:08,960
in the design that i'm making

1158
00:44:13,430 --> 00:44:11,200
the enough current to

1159
00:44:15,910 --> 00:44:13,440
have the high magnetic capability

1160
00:44:18,550 --> 00:44:15,920
probably using superconductor technology

1161
00:44:21,270 --> 00:44:18,560
as well that i'm sure they already have

1162
00:44:23,109 --> 00:44:21,280
and you put all this together

1163
00:44:25,829 --> 00:44:23,119
and you can develop

1164
00:44:27,349 --> 00:44:25,839
a warp field what i call in my book the

1165
00:44:32,470 --> 00:44:27,359
slip wave

1166
00:44:34,470 --> 00:44:32,480
this particular field

1167
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:34,480
not only allows you to break the light

1168
00:44:37,990 --> 00:44:36,720
speed barrier which is absolutely

1169
00:44:39,910 --> 00:44:38,000
essential

1170
00:44:41,589 --> 00:44:39,920
to get beyond

1171
00:44:43,670 --> 00:44:41,599
this solar system

1172
00:44:45,510 --> 00:44:43,680
you can't just go at the speed of light

1173
00:44:48,470 --> 00:44:45,520
it's way too slow

1174
00:44:50,950 --> 00:44:48,480
you have to go not just a few times like

1175
00:44:54,710 --> 00:44:50,960
in star trek eight or nine times you

1176
00:44:57,910 --> 00:44:54,720
have to go tens of thousands of times

1177
00:45:00,390 --> 00:44:57,920
faster than uh the speed of light if you

1178
00:45:02,230 --> 00:45:00,400
want to get anywhere in a reasonable

1179
00:45:04,309 --> 00:45:02,240
amount of time

1180
00:45:05,990 --> 00:45:04,319
so

1181
00:45:08,069 --> 00:45:06,000
this i believe

1182
00:45:10,870 --> 00:45:08,079
we have the capability of doing that

1183
00:45:13,430 --> 00:45:10,880
we're right on the edge even without the

1184
00:45:16,390 --> 00:45:13,440
help of alien technology and reverse

1185
00:45:18,309 --> 00:45:16,400
engineering we're almost at or if not

1186
00:45:21,430 --> 00:45:18,319
already discovered superconductor

1187
00:45:24,150 --> 00:45:21,440
technology which is absolutely essential

1188
00:45:27,030 --> 00:45:24,160
to build the coils necessary to build

1189
00:45:28,630 --> 00:45:27,040
the magnetic field necessary

1190
00:45:30,710 --> 00:45:28,640
to

1191
00:45:33,670 --> 00:45:30,720
surround the craft

1192
00:45:35,349 --> 00:45:33,680
with a spatial bias drive

1193
00:45:37,750 --> 00:45:35,359
and

1194
00:45:39,750 --> 00:45:37,760
that i think we've i think we've we have

1195
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:39,760
all that or we're very close on all of

1196
00:45:44,069 --> 00:45:41,839
that

1197
00:45:46,790 --> 00:45:44,079
um

1198
00:45:49,109 --> 00:45:46,800
just now let me ask this uh as far as

1199
00:45:50,150 --> 00:45:49,119
interstellar travel

1200
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:50,160
uh

1201
00:45:55,349 --> 00:45:52,800
will it require us to

1202
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:55,359
be able to

1203
00:46:00,470 --> 00:45:58,319
go through wormholes or through other

1204
00:46:03,670 --> 00:46:00,480
types of passageways

1205
00:46:05,589 --> 00:46:03,680
to get to where we want to go

1206
00:46:07,990 --> 00:46:05,599
there's multiple ways i think that's

1207
00:46:10,150 --> 00:46:08,000
what everybody's finding out in these

1208
00:46:13,829 --> 00:46:10,160
stephen greer interviews where all these

1209
00:46:16,550 --> 00:46:13,839
leakers are coming out of the government

1210
00:46:18,069 --> 00:46:16,560
they never foresaw happening apparently

1211
00:46:20,550 --> 00:46:18,079
over the years

1212
00:46:23,190 --> 00:46:20,560
now we have a lot of leakage in our own

1213
00:46:26,309 --> 00:46:23,200
government coming out and testifying

1214
00:46:27,190 --> 00:46:26,319
about stargates interstellar travel

1215
00:46:29,030 --> 00:46:27,200
by

1216
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:29,040
inter-dimensional which is a highly

1217
00:46:34,790 --> 00:46:31,359
efficient way to go right

1218
00:46:36,230 --> 00:46:34,800
along with my technology which i call an

1219
00:46:38,950 --> 00:46:36,240
entry-level

1220
00:46:42,150 --> 00:46:38,960
interstellar technology

1221
00:46:45,670 --> 00:46:42,160
uh which the basic which is the basic

1222
00:46:47,829 --> 00:46:45,680
technology that any ufo

1223
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,839
any alien group is going to have to use

1224
00:46:51,750 --> 00:46:49,440
in order to break the light speed

1225
00:46:54,470 --> 00:46:51,760
barrier you have to use high magnetics

1226
00:46:56,550 --> 00:46:54,480
in a rotating field of some sort

1227
00:46:58,470 --> 00:46:56,560
and um

1228
00:47:00,710 --> 00:46:58,480
it it's

1229
00:47:02,230 --> 00:47:00,720
it's gotta it's got to be half

1230
00:47:06,230 --> 00:47:02,240
it has to happen

1231
00:47:09,109 --> 00:47:06,240
because this planet isn't going to last

1232
00:47:11,190 --> 00:47:09,119
forever and neither are their planets

1233
00:47:13,270 --> 00:47:11,200
you have to buy locate

1234
00:47:15,190 --> 00:47:13,280
you have to set up systems you have to

1235
00:47:17,349 --> 00:47:15,200
set up civilizations

1236
00:47:19,430 --> 00:47:17,359
somewhere not here

1237
00:47:21,589 --> 00:47:19,440
because this place could go at any time

1238
00:47:24,309 --> 00:47:21,599
just ask the dinosaurs

1239
00:47:27,190 --> 00:47:24,319
that isn't true right

1240
00:47:29,270 --> 00:47:27,200
and so we will not be safe until we

1241
00:47:31,430 --> 00:47:29,280
develop this technology

1242
00:47:32,630 --> 00:47:31,440
it's a number one assignment for

1243
00:47:34,390 --> 00:47:32,640
humanity

1244
00:47:37,030 --> 00:47:34,400
we have to be able

1245
00:47:39,829 --> 00:47:37,040
to bi-locate to some other world some

1246
00:47:42,309 --> 00:47:39,839
other systems as i sure

1247
00:47:43,589 --> 00:47:42,319
as i'm sure other aliens

1248
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,599
are doing

1249
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,760
you know either here in underground

1250
00:47:49,910 --> 00:47:48,079
bases or in other places on the on the

1251
00:47:52,549 --> 00:47:49,920
moon or whatever you have to be in more

1252
00:47:56,230 --> 00:47:52,559
than one spot just in case something

1253
00:47:58,710 --> 00:47:56,240
really goes wrong on your home planet

1254
00:48:01,589 --> 00:47:58,720
it's a necessity it's it's

1255
00:48:02,630 --> 00:48:01,599
we have to evolve to this and it's high

1256
00:48:03,829 --> 00:48:02,640
time

1257
00:48:04,829 --> 00:48:03,839
that

1258
00:48:07,829 --> 00:48:04,839
the

1259
00:48:09,910 --> 00:48:07,839
government stopped covering this up and

1260
00:48:12,069 --> 00:48:09,920
you know i i don't know how to get them

1261
00:48:14,230 --> 00:48:12,079
to stop it but

1262
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,240
the humanity itself is going to have to

1263
00:48:17,990 --> 00:48:15,920
start figuring this out maybe with the

1264
00:48:20,950 --> 00:48:18,000
work graham's doing in luke

1265
00:48:22,549 --> 00:48:20,960
we're going to get enough information

1266
00:48:24,549 --> 00:48:22,559
you know and i'm

1267
00:48:26,630 --> 00:48:24,559
and what i'm doing and working on we can

1268
00:48:29,270 --> 00:48:26,640
solve this problem and develop this

1269
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,280
technology

1270
00:48:35,109 --> 00:48:32,160
luke do you having to add to that

1271
00:48:40,470 --> 00:48:35,119
absolutely um i i think

1272
00:48:44,069 --> 00:48:40,480
mark is correct i mean um to become

1273
00:48:46,790 --> 00:48:44,079
a uh an advanced species um a type two

1274
00:48:48,549 --> 00:48:46,800
or type three civilization

1275
00:48:50,470 --> 00:48:48,559
we have to we have to really push

1276
00:48:52,230 --> 00:48:50,480
forward in technology

1277
00:48:53,910 --> 00:48:52,240
and um

1278
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:53,920
we're currently at

1279
00:49:01,109 --> 00:49:00,230
on that scale

1280
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:01,119
which is

1281
00:49:05,910 --> 00:49:03,920
not really good um

1282
00:49:07,990 --> 00:49:05,920
so maybe maybe for everybody who's

1283
00:49:10,309 --> 00:49:08,000
listening can you describe the three

1284
00:49:13,270 --> 00:49:10,319
levels uh the three types of

1285
00:49:14,630 --> 00:49:13,280
civilizations that are defined in that

1286
00:49:19,589 --> 00:49:14,640
theory

1287
00:49:22,710 --> 00:49:19,599
so um yeah type one can harness the um

1288
00:49:26,549 --> 00:49:22,720
our own sun all the energy

1289
00:49:30,069 --> 00:49:26,559
of our own sun and utilize that

1290
00:49:31,270 --> 00:49:30,079
and then type two can

1291
00:49:34,470 --> 00:49:31,280
utilize

1292
00:49:37,030 --> 00:49:34,480
all the energy of

1293
00:49:40,069 --> 00:49:37,040
our own galaxy

1294
00:49:43,430 --> 00:49:40,079
meaning we can harness stars planets

1295
00:49:46,230 --> 00:49:43,440
manipulate power as we wish

1296
00:49:49,349 --> 00:49:46,240
and then type three that goes next level

1297
00:49:50,230 --> 00:49:49,359
that goes universal so

1298
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,240
um

1299
00:49:54,390 --> 00:49:52,319
that's harnessing everything in our

1300
00:49:55,190 --> 00:49:54,400
universe

1301
00:49:58,309 --> 00:49:55,200
so

1302
00:50:01,430 --> 00:49:58,319
yeah it's um

1303
00:50:02,710 --> 00:50:01,440
it's pretty big call but um

1304
00:50:05,990 --> 00:50:02,720
unless

1305
00:50:08,549 --> 00:50:06,000
humanity gets its stuff together uh

1306
00:50:11,589 --> 00:50:08,559
we're stuck in this rut of

1307
00:50:14,230 --> 00:50:11,599
not moving forward and that goes all the

1308
00:50:16,230 --> 00:50:14,240
way back to tesla and i don't need to

1309
00:50:18,630 --> 00:50:16,240
really mention that too much right

1310
00:50:21,190 --> 00:50:18,640
because he he could have

1311
00:50:22,870 --> 00:50:21,200
made us a hundred years advance more

1312
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,880
than what we could have with his

1313
00:50:27,829 --> 00:50:24,240
technology

1314
00:50:31,190 --> 00:50:27,839
uh for anyone that's researched tesla

1315
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:31,200
so uh yeah that is the basic

1316
00:50:39,190 --> 00:50:34,800
fundamentals of their civilizations and

1317
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:39,200
we are at about 0.7 roughly

1318
00:50:43,510 --> 00:50:41,040
so how long is it going to take for us

1319
00:50:45,750 --> 00:50:43,520
to get to a type 1 to where we can

1320
00:50:47,030 --> 00:50:45,760
actually harness the energy of our own

1321
00:50:49,910 --> 00:50:47,040
sun

1322
00:50:53,589 --> 00:50:49,920
that is up to uh our governments and

1323
00:50:56,470 --> 00:50:53,599
humanity to come together as a coalition

1324
00:50:58,470 --> 00:50:56,480
and organizer um

1325
00:51:03,349 --> 00:50:58,480
it's

1326
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,430
yeah i mean um

1327
00:51:10,069 --> 00:51:07,359
you know we can we can sit here and talk

1328
00:51:10,950 --> 00:51:10,079
about what needs to be done

1329
00:51:12,950 --> 00:51:10,960
but

1330
00:51:15,510 --> 00:51:12,960
geopolitically

1331
00:51:17,829 --> 00:51:15,520
just for one level how well

1332
00:51:20,950 --> 00:51:17,839
how realistic is that i mean even in the

1333
00:51:25,109 --> 00:51:22,790
going to have uh countries vying with

1334
00:51:26,549 --> 00:51:25,119
each other or regimes or or groups of

1335
00:51:28,790 --> 00:51:26,559
countries vying with each other to be

1336
00:51:30,710 --> 00:51:28,800
the top dog the ones who exploit this

1337
00:51:32,309 --> 00:51:30,720
technology you can imagine if russia at

1338
00:51:34,390 --> 00:51:32,319
the moment the way they are if they got

1339
00:51:35,910 --> 00:51:34,400
their hands on on something like this or

1340
00:51:37,990 --> 00:51:35,920
managed to develop something like this

1341
00:51:39,750 --> 00:51:38,000
you know well how would they use it they

1342
00:51:41,750 --> 00:51:39,760
possibly wouldn't use it for good they

1343
00:51:44,230 --> 00:51:41,760
might use it to dominate the world

1344
00:51:45,510 --> 00:51:44,240
um would america do the same you know

1345
00:51:47,990 --> 00:51:45,520
that that's a question that you could

1346
00:51:52,470 --> 00:51:48,000
ask as well so

1347
00:51:57,030 --> 00:51:54,710
we're too much of a warring factions we

1348
00:51:58,630 --> 00:51:57,040
we don't get along as a species we

1349
00:52:00,069 --> 00:51:58,640
always find some way to have division

1350
00:52:02,230 --> 00:52:00,079
between each other whether it's on

1351
00:52:04,470 --> 00:52:02,240
social or religious or economic or

1352
00:52:06,549 --> 00:52:04,480
political grounds uh we haven't solved

1353
00:52:08,470 --> 00:52:06,559
that particular question yet so until

1354
00:52:09,750 --> 00:52:08,480
that's solved then unfortunately we're

1355
00:52:12,309 --> 00:52:09,760
not going to make the progress that you

1356
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:12,319
know people desire to to get ahead um

1357
00:52:14,950 --> 00:52:13,520
and just going back the previous

1358
00:52:17,589 --> 00:52:14,960
question if you don't mind the things

1359
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:17,599
about the the atom bomb and and the kind

1360
00:52:21,430 --> 00:52:20,160
of connections between ufos and nukes

1361
00:52:23,510 --> 00:52:21,440
it might just be a yardstick with

1362
00:52:25,270 --> 00:52:23,520
technology it might not be as dramatic

1363
00:52:27,589 --> 00:52:25,280
as as mark was saying about the threat

1364
00:52:29,109 --> 00:52:27,599
that it poses that could be a literally

1365
00:52:30,630 --> 00:52:29,119
a kind of right we're gonna sit up and

1366
00:52:32,870 --> 00:52:30,640
take notes of you now you're not just

1367
00:52:34,230 --> 00:52:32,880
monkeys you're banging stick or rocks

1368
00:52:36,069 --> 00:52:34,240
together you know you've actually come

1369
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,079
to a point where your technology has got

1370
00:52:40,230 --> 00:52:38,160
the point where you can split an atom so

1371
00:52:42,150 --> 00:52:40,240
um and and even the other foo fighters

1372
00:52:44,829 --> 00:52:42,160
were before 1945 and the dropping of the

1373
00:52:47,750 --> 00:52:44,839
atomic bombs fusion was invented in what

1374
00:52:50,630 --> 00:52:47,760
1938 and the manhattan project started

1375
00:52:51,670 --> 00:52:50,640
kicking off in earnest in 1942 so the

1376
00:52:54,309 --> 00:52:51,680
foo fighters could have been a

1377
00:52:56,069 --> 00:52:54,319
manifestation of you know interest in

1378
00:52:58,470 --> 00:52:56,079
what was going on in the plan on the

1379
00:53:00,470 --> 00:52:58,480
planet in terms of that certainly

1380
00:53:02,950 --> 00:53:00,480
sightings over the hanford facility in

1381
00:53:05,349 --> 00:53:02,960
1945 they sent fighters up after an

1382
00:53:07,829 --> 00:53:05,359
object that was seen over over the plant

1383
00:53:10,150 --> 00:53:07,839
and then you've got sightings in over

1384
00:53:13,349 --> 00:53:10,160
oak ridge tennessee and hanford in in

1385
00:53:15,109 --> 00:53:13,359
the late 40s and early 50s so there's

1386
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,119
plenty of you know evidence even much

1387
00:53:20,710 --> 00:53:17,599
earlier than the milestone um things in

1388
00:53:22,950 --> 00:53:20,720
1970 to suggest that there was a link

1389
00:53:26,829 --> 00:53:22,960
um and and certainly an interest in what

1390
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:30,630
um do you think after world war ii

1391
00:53:34,230 --> 00:53:32,319
that the human race was put on a

1392
00:53:36,950 --> 00:53:34,240
priority list somehow

1393
00:53:37,829 --> 00:53:36,960
basically that we were given technology

1394
00:53:39,270 --> 00:53:37,839
or

1395
00:53:43,190 --> 00:53:39,280
shown the way

1396
00:53:45,829 --> 00:53:44,630
going back from what i just said before

1397
00:53:47,349 --> 00:53:45,839
about the fact that we're still trying

1398
00:53:48,950 --> 00:53:47,359
you know trying to kill each other yeah

1399
00:53:50,950 --> 00:53:48,960
i don't think we're at that position yet

1400
00:53:52,390 --> 00:53:50,960
i think that they're keeping tabs on us

1401
00:53:53,829 --> 00:53:52,400
you know it's like it's like a lab

1402
00:53:55,750 --> 00:53:53,839
experiment we're watching a whole load

1403
00:53:58,230 --> 00:53:55,760
of you know soldier ants fighting it

1404
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,240
with each other kind of thing um it's a

1405
00:54:00,950 --> 00:53:59,760
it's a nice experiment but i think we're

1406
00:54:03,190 --> 00:54:00,960
not the position yet where they would

1407
00:54:04,790 --> 00:54:03,200
trust us with anything because you know

1408
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,800
if you give us something like that

1409
00:54:08,150 --> 00:54:06,559
radical technology

1410
00:54:09,589 --> 00:54:08,160
chances are would use it against each

1411
00:54:11,829 --> 00:54:09,599
other we wouldn't actually use it for

1412
00:54:14,150 --> 00:54:11,839
good yeah mark

1413
00:54:14,870 --> 00:54:14,160
i just have a question for graham do you

1414
00:54:17,030 --> 00:54:14,880
are

1415
00:54:19,750 --> 00:54:17,040
do you believe in the possibility of

1416
00:54:22,230 --> 00:54:19,760
some sort of cabal

1417
00:54:24,710 --> 00:54:22,240
i don't discount it um i can't prove it

1418
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,720
exists but yeah sure it's a concept i've

1419
00:54:29,109 --> 00:54:27,200
heard of um some kind of galactic

1420
00:54:30,870 --> 00:54:29,119
confederation

1421
00:54:32,390 --> 00:54:30,880
oh you mean something inside you mean

1422
00:54:33,750 --> 00:54:32,400
something more internal

1423
00:54:36,789 --> 00:54:33,760
people

1424
00:54:39,030 --> 00:54:36,799
orchestrating things before um here

1425
00:54:41,190 --> 00:54:39,040
yes i've heard those stories i don't

1426
00:54:44,470 --> 00:54:41,200
know whether to believe them i can i can

1427
00:54:46,309 --> 00:54:44,480
imagine how it buys into it

1428
00:54:48,390 --> 00:54:46,319
it kind of feeds into what you're saying

1429
00:54:50,630 --> 00:54:48,400
because they're gonna their number one

1430
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,640
thing is to keep this technology out of

1431
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,640
the hands of the masses

1432
00:54:55,829 --> 00:54:54,240
well yes if you're buying conspiracy

1433
00:54:58,069 --> 00:54:55,839
theories i'm sure that's a great thing

1434
00:55:00,309 --> 00:54:58,079
for people to do it but it doesn't even

1435
00:55:02,069 --> 00:55:00,319
need to get that far we're simply a

1436
00:55:05,190 --> 00:55:02,079
species that just likes to kill each

1437
00:55:07,190 --> 00:55:05,200
other yeah when it comes down to it

1438
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:07,200
if there isn't a reason already we will

1439
00:55:11,430 --> 00:55:09,920
find one so that's what happens and it

1440
00:55:13,349 --> 00:55:11,440
doesn't happen between nations it could

1441
00:55:14,870 --> 00:55:13,359
be just your neighbor it can be a person

1442
00:55:16,549 --> 00:55:14,880
down the street you don't like it

1443
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:16,559
because you want might want what they

1444
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:18,720
have you know that's enough in america

1445
00:55:22,309 --> 00:55:20,480
for people to kill each other isn't it

1446
00:55:24,309 --> 00:55:22,319
so therefore you know it's the same the

1447
00:55:25,990 --> 00:55:24,319
world over so therefore we're not in a

1448
00:55:28,069 --> 00:55:26,000
position yet you don't even need to get

1449
00:55:29,750 --> 00:55:28,079
the the kind of level of

1450
00:55:31,430 --> 00:55:29,760
deep conspiracies and the deep state and

1451
00:55:33,670 --> 00:55:31,440
all the rest of it we're just that kind

1452
00:55:35,190 --> 00:55:33,680
of species that just like to hurt each

1453
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,200
other to kill each other to have

1454
00:55:39,510 --> 00:55:37,359
advantage over each other i'm afraid

1455
00:55:41,589 --> 00:55:39,520
until we get past that all the kind of

1456
00:55:43,589 --> 00:55:41,599
things that we dream and we aspire to

1457
00:55:44,789 --> 00:55:43,599
simply aren't going to happen

1458
00:55:47,190 --> 00:55:44,799
well

1459
00:55:49,510 --> 00:55:47,200
there is a counter movement to get it

1460
00:55:52,309 --> 00:55:49,520
goes beyond this discussion really with

1461
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:52,319
ndes and and that sort of a spiritual

1462
00:55:56,630 --> 00:55:54,400
realm that's fighting

1463
00:55:57,670 --> 00:55:56,640
to fix the problem you're just talking

1464
00:56:00,870 --> 00:55:57,680
about

1465
00:56:03,190 --> 00:56:00,880
where the solution to all this is

1466
00:56:06,230 --> 00:56:03,200
very simple

1467
00:56:07,510 --> 00:56:06,240
and it's one thing learn to love one

1468
00:56:09,910 --> 00:56:07,520
another

1469
00:56:11,750 --> 00:56:09,920
if we succeed in that if we practice

1470
00:56:14,470 --> 00:56:11,760
that we live that

1471
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,480
all the problems you just said go away

1472
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:16,799
every one of them gets solved because we

1473
00:56:23,670 --> 00:56:20,319
stop this abusing each other

1474
00:56:26,630 --> 00:56:23,680
across the world this hatred this anger

1475
00:56:29,510 --> 00:56:26,640
and then we could advance so a spiritual

1476
00:56:31,270 --> 00:56:29,520
advancement would be one of the greatest

1477
00:56:35,270 --> 00:56:31,280
things to help us

1478
00:56:37,030 --> 00:56:35,280
to advance technologically

1479
00:56:39,510 --> 00:56:37,040
yeah we'd stop fighting each other a

1480
00:56:41,750 --> 00:56:39,520
spiritual advantage a spiritual way of

1481
00:56:42,789 --> 00:56:41,760
looking at it is religion because they

1482
00:56:45,349 --> 00:56:42,799
they hold themselves up with

1483
00:56:46,870 --> 00:56:45,359
spiritualism however religions tend to

1484
00:56:48,150 --> 00:56:46,880
end up warring with each other as well

1485
00:56:50,789 --> 00:56:48,160
because they have different ways of

1486
00:56:54,789 --> 00:56:50,799
looking at the same thing so mankind

1487
00:56:57,230 --> 00:56:54,799
gets in the mess and misinterprets it

1488
00:56:59,349 --> 00:56:57,240
the greatest problem in religion is to

1489
00:57:01,030 --> 00:56:59,359
misinterpretation of those religions

1490
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:01,040
because everybody has their own take on

1491
00:57:04,870 --> 00:57:04,079
what what somebody has said years ago um

1492
00:57:06,309 --> 00:57:04,880
yeah

1493
00:57:07,510 --> 00:57:06,319
religion has a lot to answer for

1494
00:57:10,870 --> 00:57:07,520
unfortunately

1495
00:57:13,349 --> 00:57:10,880
yeah but it's fixable if they fall back

1496
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:13,359
to the primary principle

1497
00:57:17,510 --> 00:57:15,200
love one another that's the one

1498
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,520
commandment from god i don't know if you

1499
00:57:21,670 --> 00:57:19,599
believe in god or not but

1500
00:57:25,190 --> 00:57:21,680
i just thought i'd introduce that in

1501
00:57:28,069 --> 00:57:25,200
there as well uh um i'm a intelligent

1502
00:57:29,990 --> 00:57:28,079
design theorist so

1503
00:57:32,789 --> 00:57:30,000
the creator is

1504
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,799
is ultimately behind all this is what i

1505
00:57:37,589 --> 00:57:34,640
believe so

1506
00:57:40,150 --> 00:57:37,599
i'm not only looking at moving

1507
00:57:43,030 --> 00:57:40,160
the world along technologically but we

1508
00:57:44,950 --> 00:57:43,040
have to move along spiritually as well

1509
00:57:46,950 --> 00:57:44,960
so we can solve the kind of problems

1510
00:57:50,230 --> 00:57:46,960
that you're bringing up i mean they're

1511
00:57:52,549 --> 00:57:50,240
real they're valid you're right

1512
00:57:54,950 --> 00:57:52,559
we just can't stop killing each other

1513
00:57:58,230 --> 00:57:54,960
and shooting each other and

1514
00:58:01,349 --> 00:57:58,240
and you name it warring for political

1515
00:58:05,750 --> 00:58:01,359
religious uh we're you know we're our

1516
00:58:11,510 --> 00:58:08,789
i mean can we ever change you know um

1517
00:58:13,109 --> 00:58:11,520
i i was i was always a very strict

1518
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:13,119
evolutionist

1519
00:58:17,430 --> 00:58:15,200
but as time is going on as i've looked

1520
00:58:20,309 --> 00:58:17,440
into more and more phenomena

1521
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:20,319
i i believe there there is a

1522
00:58:24,630 --> 00:58:22,400
intelligent design thing i mean where

1523
00:58:27,589 --> 00:58:24,640
there has been intervention at some

1524
00:58:30,309 --> 00:58:27,599
point in the distant past i mean even

1525
00:58:33,670 --> 00:58:30,319
now they may be actually intervening and

1526
00:58:34,829 --> 00:58:33,680
changing or trying to change things

1527
00:58:36,390 --> 00:58:34,839
thoughts on

1528
00:58:40,950 --> 00:58:36,400
that

1529
00:58:43,589 --> 00:58:40,960
i think we can change as possible sure

1530
00:58:45,589 --> 00:58:43,599
that's all about the life experience

1531
00:58:47,109 --> 00:58:45,599
learning from your mistakes and moving

1532
00:58:50,150 --> 00:58:47,119
forward hopefully

1533
00:58:51,230 --> 00:58:50,160
if you can wake up enough to to do that

1534
00:58:53,990 --> 00:58:51,240
to start

1535
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:54,000
self-evaluating and thinking about what

1536
00:58:59,910 --> 00:58:56,000
you can do to improve things improve

1537
00:59:02,309 --> 00:58:59,920
your life improve other people's lives

1538
00:59:03,109 --> 00:59:02,319
yeah the problem is

1539
00:59:05,670 --> 00:59:03,119
we're

1540
00:59:06,789 --> 00:59:05,680
in these avatars these what we call

1541
00:59:07,910 --> 00:59:06,799
humans

1542
00:59:12,230 --> 00:59:07,920
and and

1543
00:59:14,390 --> 00:59:12,240
all this materialistic

1544
00:59:16,230 --> 00:59:14,400
things going on in our heads that that

1545
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,240
kind of mess things up

1546
00:59:20,630 --> 00:59:18,880
but uh it's part of the process we just

1547
00:59:23,270 --> 00:59:20,640
have to learn to

1548
00:59:26,150 --> 00:59:23,280
rise above that you know

1549
00:59:28,549 --> 00:59:26,160
it's tough tough assignment but uh here

1550
00:59:30,309 --> 00:59:28,559
we are right i think we lost luke but

1551
00:59:31,349 --> 00:59:30,319
hopefully we can get back in

1552
00:59:35,990 --> 00:59:31,359
um

1553
00:59:37,670 --> 00:59:36,000
i don't know i i i just feel that uh

1554
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:37,680
myself that

1555
00:59:40,870 --> 00:59:39,920
maybe

1556
00:59:42,710 --> 00:59:40,880
we are

1557
00:59:44,870 --> 00:59:42,720
get giving been giving some

1558
00:59:47,349 --> 00:59:44,880
opportunities and really haven't taken

1559
00:59:50,309 --> 00:59:47,359
advantage of it i think we've been shown

1560
00:59:51,990 --> 00:59:50,319
things in the past uh

1561
00:59:54,630 --> 00:59:52,000
and just

1562
00:59:56,230 --> 00:59:54,640
ignored them

1563
00:59:57,670 --> 00:59:56,240
i think you can say that for a lot of

1564
00:59:59,270 --> 00:59:57,680
things a lot of technological

1565
01:00:00,870 --> 00:59:59,280
advancements that could have happened

1566
01:00:03,109 --> 01:00:00,880
but for whatever reason social or

1567
01:00:04,950 --> 01:00:03,119
political or military reasons just

1568
01:00:07,030 --> 01:00:04,960
simply haven't happened i mean look at

1569
01:00:08,710 --> 01:00:07,040
the moon exploration you know you sort

1570
01:00:11,030 --> 01:00:08,720
of ran out of uh you know right out of

1571
01:00:12,789 --> 01:00:11,040
steam in the mid 70s right didn't you

1572
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:12,799
you know you went to the moon saw it did

1573
01:00:15,750 --> 01:00:14,319
a few apollo missions then went right

1574
01:00:18,870 --> 01:00:15,760
that's enough we don't need to do any

1575
01:00:20,950 --> 01:00:18,880
more um and then public interest waned

1576
01:00:23,109 --> 01:00:20,960
as well people were complaining that

1577
01:00:24,789 --> 01:00:23,119
there were live apollo coverage where

1578
01:00:27,430 --> 01:00:24,799
and they were missing reruns of i love

1579
01:00:29,670 --> 01:00:27,440
lucy so

1580
01:00:32,150 --> 01:00:29,680
it was okay if that's the case then god

1581
01:00:34,390 --> 01:00:32,160
help us really so

1582
01:00:35,270 --> 01:00:34,400
but i i look at things that i can sort

1583
01:00:37,670 --> 01:00:35,280
of

1584
01:00:39,510 --> 01:00:37,680
i can prove uh in this i look at

1585
01:00:42,309 --> 01:00:39,520
documents i try to build a picture when

1586
01:00:43,829 --> 01:00:42,319
i try to tell a story but also there's

1587
01:00:45,589 --> 01:00:43,839
things that i don't understand there's

1588
01:00:46,950 --> 01:00:45,599
things i can't prove that i have just

1589
01:00:49,030 --> 01:00:46,960
have to set aside

1590
01:00:51,670 --> 01:00:49,040
and i think i really can't sort of

1591
01:00:53,270 --> 01:00:51,680
comprehend them or i can't prove them so

1592
01:00:55,190 --> 01:00:53,280
they just have to wait or they have to

1593
01:00:57,030 --> 01:00:55,200
be looked at by people like mark who who

1594
01:00:59,430 --> 01:00:57,040
maybe has a better take on this than i

1595
01:01:01,270 --> 01:00:59,440
do um so i'm afraid i'm only restricted

1596
01:01:03,750 --> 01:01:01,280
to a certain you know subset of what's

1597
01:01:05,829 --> 01:01:03,760
happening um and i keep my focus quite

1598
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,839
quite narrow because then at least i can

1599
01:01:10,549 --> 01:01:08,640
com i can contain what's going on and i

1600
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:10,559
can devote more time to it whereas

1601
01:01:13,510 --> 01:01:12,079
there's just so much going on here

1602
01:01:15,750 --> 01:01:13,520
there's so much so many fascinating

1603
01:01:18,230 --> 01:01:15,760
things it's just not enough to keep on

1604
01:01:20,870 --> 01:01:18,240
top of unfortunately

1605
01:01:21,910 --> 01:01:20,880
well i i can see you you're taking a

1606
01:01:27,270 --> 01:01:21,920
very

1607
01:01:29,349 --> 01:01:27,280
disciplined scient and i have great

1608
01:01:31,910 --> 01:01:29,359
apprecia appreciation for that but you

1609
01:01:34,549 --> 01:01:31,920
brought up the apollo project

1610
01:01:35,589 --> 01:01:34,559
and how they just sort of stopped

1611
01:01:37,829 --> 01:01:35,599
now it's

1612
01:01:40,230 --> 01:01:37,839
are you aware that buzz aldrin has come

1613
01:01:42,470 --> 01:01:40,240
out and admitted that they saw

1614
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:42,480
uh alien spacecraft when they were on

1615
01:01:47,030 --> 01:01:44,240
the moon no

1616
01:01:48,549 --> 01:01:47,040
well he's certainly been said that

1617
01:01:49,910 --> 01:01:48,559
there's been stories about him saying

1618
01:01:52,950 --> 01:01:49,920
that i'm not entirely sure that he's

1619
01:01:55,029 --> 01:01:52,960
actually said it for definitely i saw it

1620
01:01:56,309 --> 01:01:55,039
i saw the video with him speaking the

1621
01:01:59,190 --> 01:01:56,319
words

1622
01:02:01,510 --> 01:01:59,200
so i know for sure okay

1623
01:02:04,150 --> 01:02:01,520
and along with that another guy from

1624
01:02:05,589 --> 01:02:04,160
nasa who was uh working at the time at

1625
01:02:08,230 --> 01:02:05,599
the

1626
01:02:09,029 --> 01:02:08,240
cape canaveral cape kennedy

1627
01:02:09,990 --> 01:02:09,039
uh

1628
01:02:12,069 --> 01:02:10,000
also

1629
01:02:14,549 --> 01:02:12,079
spoke to them through the medical

1630
01:02:16,950 --> 01:02:14,559
channel and said that they were on the

1631
01:02:18,630 --> 01:02:16,960
horizon just above where they were

1632
01:02:19,910 --> 01:02:18,640
they're all on the horizon watching us i

1633
01:02:23,109 --> 01:02:19,920
remember reading a book called the

1634
01:02:25,910 --> 01:02:23,119
secret our spaceship moon by don wilson

1635
01:02:27,589 --> 01:02:25,920
back in the 1970s and thinking it was a

1636
01:02:29,589 --> 01:02:27,599
bit of a joke really because nothing

1637
01:02:31,349 --> 01:02:29,599
could be proved in it but if you if

1638
01:02:33,190 --> 01:02:31,359
you're saying that bert aldrin has said

1639
01:02:34,630 --> 01:02:33,200
those words i'd love somebody to be able

1640
01:02:36,309 --> 01:02:34,640
to send me a link

1641
01:02:38,470 --> 01:02:36,319
my twitter address is there please

1642
01:02:40,069 --> 01:02:38,480
somebody dmv yeah

1643
01:02:42,069 --> 01:02:40,079
send me the link to it so i can see it

1644
01:02:44,789 --> 01:02:42,079
i'll send you the link

1645
01:02:46,950 --> 01:02:44,799
because that should be huge

1646
01:02:49,349 --> 01:02:46,960
yeah that's why

1647
01:02:51,670 --> 01:02:49,359
why isn't that on every news channel

1648
01:02:53,670 --> 01:02:51,680
across the world if he said that and if

1649
01:02:55,589 --> 01:02:53,680
people just take it seriously the second

1650
01:02:57,190 --> 01:02:55,599
man on the moon saying that why is that

1651
01:02:59,430 --> 01:02:57,200
not everywhere

1652
01:03:01,270 --> 01:02:59,440
i think he was talking to stephen greer

1653
01:03:03,109 --> 01:03:01,280
i'm not sure

1654
01:03:04,230 --> 01:03:03,119
but i just saw it the other day and i'm

1655
01:03:05,430 --> 01:03:04,240
saying

1656
01:03:08,630 --> 01:03:05,440
now that's

1657
01:03:11,029 --> 01:03:08,640
because my wife thinks more like you

1658
01:03:13,510 --> 01:03:11,039
and and she's i don't believe until

1659
01:03:16,710 --> 01:03:13,520
there's rock solid proof and evidence

1660
01:03:18,870 --> 01:03:16,720
and i said well take a look at this

1661
01:03:20,870 --> 01:03:18,880
well you believe

1662
01:03:23,029 --> 01:03:20,880
him saying it would be evidence like at

1663
01:03:26,470 --> 01:03:23,039
least for a start to go i mean that's

1664
01:03:28,230 --> 01:03:26,480
high credibility exactly yeah but as far

1665
01:03:29,270 --> 01:03:28,240
as i was aware until you said that i'm

1666
01:03:32,069 --> 01:03:29,280
not going to tell you where he's

1667
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:32,079
actually said it you know um

1668
01:03:35,109 --> 01:03:33,839
for real so there's been there's

1669
01:03:37,349 --> 01:03:35,119
certainly been illusions to the fact

1670
01:03:39,029 --> 01:03:37,359
that they've said things like that

1671
01:03:41,670 --> 01:03:39,039
yeah

1672
01:03:51,109 --> 01:03:41,680
make sure that i get your your email or

1673
01:03:55,029 --> 01:03:53,270
do any of you believe that the

1674
01:03:56,870 --> 01:03:55,039
mainstream media

1675
01:03:59,510 --> 01:03:56,880
particularly here in the united states

1676
01:04:02,069 --> 01:03:59,520
now i know you've got the tabloids in in

1677
01:04:04,870 --> 01:04:02,079
the uk and i don't know what they have

1678
01:04:06,789 --> 01:04:04,880
in in australia but do you think they've

1679
01:04:11,109 --> 01:04:06,799
been held back from reporting some of

1680
01:04:14,710 --> 01:04:13,589
who are you asking in general

1681
01:04:16,069 --> 01:04:14,720
anyone

1682
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:16,079
any of you

1683
01:04:23,910 --> 01:04:21,200
um yeah i would say absolutely um

1684
01:04:27,589 --> 01:04:23,920
yeah the the media the media gets strip

1685
01:04:28,710 --> 01:04:27,599
fed what they are needed to

1686
01:04:29,990 --> 01:04:28,720
believe

1687
01:04:31,270 --> 01:04:30,000
and

1688
01:04:35,349 --> 01:04:31,280
um

1689
01:04:41,990 --> 01:04:38,309
you know a smoke screen beyond that

1690
01:04:42,950 --> 01:04:42,000
but yes uh to answer your question yes

1691
01:04:43,829 --> 01:04:42,960
okay

1692
01:04:46,549 --> 01:04:43,839
and

1693
01:04:50,390 --> 01:04:46,559
why do you think that is

1694
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,400
um i i think it is because

1695
01:04:54,789 --> 01:04:52,880
we're still not

1696
01:04:57,109 --> 01:04:54,799
quite ready to

1697
01:04:59,270 --> 01:04:57,119
handle the truth

1698
01:05:02,630 --> 01:04:59,280
as a publicity

1699
01:05:03,510 --> 01:05:02,640
maybe maybe maybe some are maybe some

1700
01:05:04,789 --> 01:05:03,520
aren't

1701
01:05:06,870 --> 01:05:04,799
but

1702
01:05:09,190 --> 01:05:06,880
uh yeah you you just

1703
01:05:10,630 --> 01:05:09,200
you just go on social media

1704
01:05:14,549 --> 01:05:10,640
and your

1705
01:05:16,870 --> 01:05:14,559
i run two big big groups and just get

1706
01:05:17,829 --> 01:05:16,880
ripped apart if you ask questions like

1707
01:05:20,470 --> 01:05:17,839
that

1708
01:05:21,670 --> 01:05:20,480
they'll rip you apart so

1709
01:05:22,789 --> 01:05:21,680
is that right

1710
01:05:25,430 --> 01:05:22,799
yep

1711
01:05:28,230 --> 01:05:25,440
absolutely

1712
01:05:29,109 --> 01:05:28,240
so um you've got to be very careful

1713
01:05:33,510 --> 01:05:29,119
in

1714
01:05:35,589 --> 01:05:33,520
on social media

1715
01:05:37,829 --> 01:05:35,599
because uh yeah

1716
01:05:39,990 --> 01:05:37,839
certain uh you get a bunch

1717
01:05:43,510 --> 01:05:40,000
heaps of trolls

1718
01:05:46,150 --> 01:05:43,520
and um yeah you get people that actually

1719
01:05:46,870 --> 01:05:46,160
research and do their work they'll send

1720
01:05:48,710 --> 01:05:46,880
you

1721
01:05:51,190 --> 01:05:48,720
a link through

1722
01:05:53,430 --> 01:05:51,200
with all the descriptions

1723
01:05:56,309 --> 01:05:53,440
now that's

1724
01:05:58,870 --> 01:05:56,319
what i expect but you get people with

1725
01:06:01,270 --> 01:05:58,880
their opinions and i'll just go

1726
01:06:03,589 --> 01:06:01,280
blah blah blah i'll say something that

1727
01:06:05,910 --> 01:06:03,599
someone else has said and

1728
01:06:08,549 --> 01:06:05,920
yeah it's kind of a big cliche and

1729
01:06:12,950 --> 01:06:08,559
boring that they um

1730
01:06:16,870 --> 01:06:14,630
as far as the uk goes in terms of the

1731
01:06:19,190 --> 01:06:16,880
media uh the suspicion that there was a

1732
01:06:21,430 --> 01:06:19,200
d notice which is a kind of it's almost

1733
01:06:23,750 --> 01:06:21,440
like a voluntary gag order on the

1734
01:06:25,670 --> 01:06:23,760
media to report things was actually put

1735
01:06:27,349 --> 01:06:25,680
in place for the calvin object that was

1736
01:06:29,029 --> 01:06:27,359
seen in 1990

1737
01:06:30,630 --> 01:06:29,039
but in terms of the rest of the media

1738
01:06:32,789 --> 01:06:30,640
you have to get a lot of click bait kind

1739
01:06:34,390 --> 01:06:32,799
of stories from the tabloids yeah in

1740
01:06:36,230 --> 01:06:34,400
terms of the what the broad sheets the

1741
01:06:38,390 --> 01:06:36,240
more serious newspapers there's just

1742
01:06:40,630 --> 01:06:38,400
apathy really they don't want to know i

1743
01:06:42,950 --> 01:06:40,640
mean in terms of uap media uk a group

1744
01:06:44,789 --> 01:06:42,960
that i'm part of in the uk we try to get

1745
01:06:47,829 --> 01:06:44,799
journalists involved in sensible

1746
01:06:49,430 --> 01:06:47,839
reporting for ufo for ufology but the

1747
01:06:50,470 --> 01:06:49,440
the likes of the guardian and the times

1748
01:06:52,549 --> 01:06:50,480
et cetera the more heavyweight

1749
01:06:54,230 --> 01:06:52,559
newspapers in the uk they simply won't

1750
01:06:56,069 --> 01:06:54,240
touch the stories because they're just

1751
01:06:58,549 --> 01:06:56,079
not interested you can't get the

1752
01:07:01,270 --> 01:06:58,559
journalists engaged they just won't look

1753
01:07:02,630 --> 01:07:01,280
at it

1754
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:02,640
well now

1755
01:07:06,870 --> 01:07:05,200
i'd like to start in into and then vince

1756
01:07:09,670 --> 01:07:06,880
is just put up there about the phoenix

1757
01:07:11,510 --> 01:07:09,680
lights uh maybe we can talk about some

1758
01:07:13,430 --> 01:07:11,520
incidents what are your thoughts on that

1759
01:07:15,190 --> 01:07:13,440
on that incident or supposedly of

1760
01:07:17,029 --> 01:07:15,200
incident and of course there's been

1761
01:07:17,910 --> 01:07:17,039
photographic

1762
01:07:20,789 --> 01:07:17,920
uh

1763
01:07:23,349 --> 01:07:20,799
evidence if you can call it that of a

1764
01:07:26,549 --> 01:07:24,470
craft

1765
01:07:28,549 --> 01:07:26,559
uh what do you think about those uh let

1766
01:07:30,390 --> 01:07:28,559
me start with uh let me start with mark

1767
01:07:33,910 --> 01:07:30,400
on that

1768
01:07:39,190 --> 01:07:33,920
well if if it's the real deal it's very

1769
01:07:43,510 --> 01:07:41,589
uh unfortunately you couldn't really

1770
01:07:44,470 --> 01:07:43,520
make out the eyeline you just had the

1771
01:07:46,549 --> 01:07:44,480
lights

1772
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,559
going on and off

1773
01:07:51,270 --> 01:07:48,799
they look like they weren't moving

1774
01:07:55,029 --> 01:07:51,280
relative to each other they were just

1775
01:07:57,270 --> 01:07:55,039
locked in place so that suggests a solid

1776
01:07:59,829 --> 01:07:57,280
object

1777
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,839
the size of it well that's impressive

1778
01:08:05,349 --> 01:08:02,160
and i've often wondered about that

1779
01:08:08,829 --> 01:08:05,359
particular sighting is this is this like

1780
01:08:12,230 --> 01:08:08,839
a pre-introduction maybe they're in

1781
01:08:14,549 --> 01:08:12,240
stages visiting and you know allowing us

1782
01:08:16,950 --> 01:08:14,559
to see a little more a little more but

1783
01:08:19,910 --> 01:08:16,960
it would have really been impressive

1784
01:08:22,870 --> 01:08:19,920
if it was in the daytime yeah where we

1785
01:08:26,390 --> 01:08:22,880
could really make out that ship so it

1786
01:08:27,510 --> 01:08:26,400
was no accident that it was at night and

1787
01:08:29,269 --> 01:08:27,520
it was

1788
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:29,279
dark enough where you couldn't get a

1789
01:08:32,550 --> 01:08:30,960
real fix

1790
01:08:35,669 --> 01:08:32,560
on the

1791
01:08:37,910 --> 01:08:35,679
the full image of that craft i i wish

1792
01:08:40,309 --> 01:08:37,920
but that's that's the case any good

1793
01:08:42,550 --> 01:08:40,319
photographs we get

1794
01:08:45,669 --> 01:08:42,560
seem to disappear

1795
01:08:48,630 --> 01:08:45,679
uh with our government my government

1796
01:08:52,149 --> 01:08:48,640
uh and and then the the rest out there

1797
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,159
is just very little really close up high

1798
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,719
detail i have a camera charged here all

1799
01:08:58,789 --> 01:08:56,799
the time hoping

1800
01:09:00,390 --> 01:08:58,799
that something comes by the house that i

1801
01:09:02,630 --> 01:09:00,400
could get a good

1802
01:09:04,630 --> 01:09:02,640
decent picture of

1803
01:09:07,269 --> 01:09:04,640
something that you could really

1804
01:09:09,269 --> 01:09:07,279
sink your teeth into and say wow

1805
01:09:11,829 --> 01:09:09,279
if that's not faked

1806
01:09:12,630 --> 01:09:11,839
then that's really the real deal and you

1807
01:09:15,189 --> 01:09:12,640
know

1808
01:09:17,510 --> 01:09:15,199
even with video and and photographs

1809
01:09:20,309 --> 01:09:17,520
everybody's if it looks too good well

1810
01:09:21,749 --> 01:09:20,319
it's fake you know we we keep going back

1811
01:09:23,349 --> 01:09:21,759
and forth and

1812
01:09:25,669 --> 01:09:23,359
it's going to be hard to get that

1813
01:09:28,789 --> 01:09:25,679
convincing data

1814
01:09:32,070 --> 01:09:28,799
yeah i agree i agree mark um

1815
01:09:33,269 --> 01:09:32,080
yeah if we had some ir shots on that

1816
01:09:35,269 --> 01:09:33,279
actual

1817
01:09:36,950 --> 01:09:35,279
um uh

1818
01:09:38,070 --> 01:09:36,960
the fenix lights

1819
01:09:40,470 --> 01:09:38,080
oh yeah

1820
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,480
that would have been fantastic because

1821
01:09:46,149 --> 01:09:41,920
that would have shown

1822
01:09:47,110 --> 01:09:46,159
maybe the whole craft yeah in its whole

1823
01:09:49,910 --> 01:09:47,120
um

1824
01:09:51,510 --> 01:09:49,920
other than raw video footage from the

1825
01:09:53,349 --> 01:09:51,520
90s

1826
01:09:55,669 --> 01:09:53,359
so um

1827
01:09:59,430 --> 01:09:57,830
i i agree there was something there and

1828
01:10:00,870 --> 01:09:59,440
it's so it's something that seems to

1829
01:10:03,910 --> 01:10:00,880
defy

1830
01:10:05,669 --> 01:10:03,920
maybe our understanding in terms of our

1831
01:10:07,189 --> 01:10:05,679
ability to be able to realize something

1832
01:10:09,110 --> 01:10:07,199
like that ourselves

1833
01:10:10,630 --> 01:10:09,120
um the best person you want to talk to

1834
01:10:12,229 --> 01:10:10,640
is probably david mahler he's a

1835
01:10:13,990 --> 01:10:12,239
respected researcher on triangular

1836
01:10:16,229 --> 01:10:14,000
shaped ufos

1837
01:10:19,669 --> 01:10:16,239
but also he's come up with cases of

1838
01:10:21,750 --> 01:10:19,679
football shape field sized objects in

1839
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,760
this kind of configuration and ones

1840
01:10:24,470 --> 01:10:23,280
which you know despite the fact that

1841
01:10:26,310 --> 01:10:24,480
they've got a point on them like a

1842
01:10:29,189 --> 01:10:26,320
triangle they don't fly that way they

1843
01:10:32,070 --> 01:10:29,199
fly with a blunt side forward

1844
01:10:34,790 --> 01:10:32,080
which is to our mind is quite strange

1845
01:10:37,189 --> 01:10:34,800
mark's gonna come and jump in here

1846
01:10:39,030 --> 01:10:37,199
i wasn't gonna say about that anything

1847
01:10:40,950 --> 01:10:39,040
because i thought it was odd because i

1848
01:10:42,390 --> 01:10:40,960
was out one night in my backyard i'm

1849
01:10:43,910 --> 01:10:42,400
always looking up

1850
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:43,920
you know when you're in this business

1851
01:10:47,510 --> 01:10:45,520
you're always looking at the stars to

1852
01:10:49,669 --> 01:10:47,520
see what you can see and i saw a

1853
01:10:51,990 --> 01:10:49,679
triangular shape going

1854
01:10:53,510 --> 01:10:52,000
across the sky and i got excited i'm

1855
01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:53,520
yelling at my wife

1856
01:10:57,030 --> 01:10:55,360
she's inside on the computer and i'm

1857
01:10:59,350 --> 01:10:57,040
screaming come on you got to see this

1858
01:11:00,229 --> 01:10:59,360
come out you got to see this

1859
01:11:03,030 --> 01:11:00,239
and

1860
01:11:05,270 --> 01:11:03,040
the ship it wasn't going like you would

1861
01:11:07,430 --> 01:11:05,280
expect with the point

1862
01:11:09,430 --> 01:11:07,440
the main front point going it was going

1863
01:11:12,470 --> 01:11:09,440
sideways

1864
01:11:13,910 --> 01:11:12,480
this is that what you're saying this one

1865
01:11:16,070 --> 01:11:13,920
well not necessarily the one that was

1866
01:11:18,229 --> 01:11:16,080
seen there but certainly other reports

1867
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:18,239
where that the kind of blunt end is is

1868
01:11:22,630 --> 01:11:20,560
going forward so from our our

1869
01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:22,640
aerodynamic kind of sensibilities you

1870
01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,080
would expect the point would be the bit

1871
01:11:28,709 --> 01:11:26,159
that goes first but it was another way

1872
01:11:30,149 --> 01:11:28,719
around so you know there's some strange

1873
01:11:33,750 --> 01:11:30,159
contradictions in other words in terms

1874
01:11:36,229 --> 01:11:33,760
of the testimony but you know yes um i i

1875
01:11:37,510 --> 01:11:36,239
i agree there's something there uh as to

1876
01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,520
what it was again that's just one of

1877
01:11:40,229 --> 01:11:38,880
those things you can't really you know

1878
01:11:42,550 --> 01:11:40,239
it's interesting because here in

1879
01:11:45,030 --> 01:11:42,560
pennsylvania uh we got a lot of these

1880
01:11:47,430 --> 01:11:45,040
triangular corsair shaped

1881
01:11:48,310 --> 01:11:47,440
sightings a lot of them

1882
01:11:49,270 --> 01:11:48,320
um

1883
01:11:51,669 --> 01:11:49,280
so

1884
01:11:53,669 --> 01:11:51,679
in fact i i did give vincent a

1885
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,679
photograph that was taken

1886
01:11:58,550 --> 01:11:56,159
along the chestnut ridge not too long

1887
01:12:00,229 --> 01:11:58,560
ago like a corsair like crap that was

1888
01:12:01,669 --> 01:12:00,239
taken during the day

1889
01:12:03,030 --> 01:12:01,679
and uh i don't know if they can bring

1890
01:12:05,750 --> 01:12:03,040
that up or not

1891
01:12:07,189 --> 01:12:05,760
but uh it was that real long

1892
01:12:09,189 --> 01:12:07,199
image

1893
01:12:11,189 --> 01:12:09,199
vincent but that seems to be something

1894
01:12:13,030 --> 01:12:11,199
that a lot of people are reporting here

1895
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:13,040
now i don't know how they are what

1896
01:12:17,350 --> 01:12:15,040
they're doing other places

1897
01:12:21,990 --> 01:12:17,360
but uh it does seem to be happening here

1898
01:12:25,990 --> 01:12:24,310
happening all around the world yeah

1899
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:26,000
yeah well no doubt i mean like the

1900
01:12:31,669 --> 01:12:28,320
belgian the belgian triangle that was an

1901
01:12:33,669 --> 01:12:31,679
amazing an amazing photograph

1902
01:12:35,910 --> 01:12:33,679
oh that's not it but yeah

1903
01:12:37,990 --> 01:12:35,920
the belgian photograph there's also

1904
01:12:40,070 --> 01:12:38,000
extra evidence in that photograph which

1905
01:12:42,470 --> 01:12:40,080
i think was in the 80s 1980s somewhere

1906
01:12:43,510 --> 01:12:42,480
in there they were still using regular

1907
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:43,520
film

1908
01:12:48,550 --> 01:12:46,560
uh at that time right the the high-tech

1909
01:12:50,790 --> 01:12:48,560
cameras hadn't come out yet

1910
01:12:52,310 --> 01:12:50,800
and that film was analyzed by a

1911
01:12:55,030 --> 01:12:52,320
physicist

1912
01:12:57,510 --> 01:12:55,040
and uh he looked

1913
01:13:00,149 --> 01:12:57,520
very closely at that uh

1914
01:13:01,510 --> 01:13:00,159
photograph or or the actually the

1915
01:13:02,830 --> 01:13:01,520
emulsion

1916
01:13:06,070 --> 01:13:02,840
on

1917
01:13:08,870 --> 01:13:06,080
the the negative

1918
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:08,880
and he found something very unusual this

1919
01:13:13,270 --> 01:13:11,360
is the evidence i'm always looking for

1920
01:13:14,740 --> 01:13:13,280
he said the emulsion itself was

1921
01:13:16,390 --> 01:13:14,750
magnetized

1922
01:13:18,550 --> 01:13:16,400
[Music]

1923
01:13:20,310 --> 01:13:18,560
so he was close enough for the magnetic

1924
01:13:22,790 --> 01:13:20,320
field that was coming off of that ship

1925
01:13:26,790 --> 01:13:22,800
to magnetize the emulsion

1926
01:13:26,800 --> 01:13:30,310
yeah that's the one right there

1927
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,510
that was taken about a month ago

1928
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:35,520
above the chests and ridges which is in

1929
01:13:40,070 --> 01:13:37,679
western pennsylvania

1930
01:13:42,870 --> 01:13:40,080
uh and from what i understand that this

1931
01:13:44,149 --> 01:13:42,880
thing was moving

1932
01:13:46,390 --> 01:13:44,159
now i don't know if it looks like

1933
01:13:47,910 --> 01:13:46,400
there's a point area there or something

1934
01:13:50,870 --> 01:13:47,920
but it seems to be something like a

1935
01:13:54,550 --> 01:13:50,880
corsair or maybe a triangular shaped

1936
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:54,560
uh object but uh it was uh

1937
01:13:59,030 --> 01:13:57,440
it was moving slowly i know that

1938
01:14:01,830 --> 01:13:59,040
but that's similar to what we get around

1939
01:14:03,990 --> 01:14:01,840
here black triangles aren't a modern uh

1940
01:14:05,430 --> 01:14:04,000
onto a new phenomenon either there was a

1941
01:14:07,430 --> 01:14:05,440
case of the spitfire pilot over

1942
01:14:11,030 --> 01:14:07,440
northumberland the county i live in in

1943
01:14:14,149 --> 01:14:11,040
england in january 1944 coming across

1944
01:14:16,310 --> 01:14:14,159
four of them at 22 000 feet

1945
01:14:18,790 --> 01:14:16,320
in the daytime well

1946
01:14:20,790 --> 01:14:18,800
look at that and blow that up again

1947
01:14:23,510 --> 01:14:20,800
graham luke what do you think about

1948
01:14:25,910 --> 01:14:23,520
these i'm pointing with my no you can't

1949
01:14:27,590 --> 01:14:25,920
see my pointer but around

1950
01:14:30,550 --> 01:14:27,600
the edge of it there seems to be

1951
01:14:31,510 --> 01:14:30,560
something going on with the light yeah

1952
01:14:34,149 --> 01:14:31,520
um

1953
01:14:36,790 --> 01:14:34,159
as if there's some sort of field there

1954
01:14:38,870 --> 01:14:36,800
magnetic field correct

1955
01:14:40,709 --> 01:14:38,880
it all right that's what i believe the

1956
01:14:42,790 --> 01:14:40,719
guy who took the photograph did mention

1957
01:14:44,310 --> 01:14:42,800
and of course he made note of it there

1958
01:14:46,390 --> 01:14:44,320
on the photograph

1959
01:14:48,470 --> 01:14:46,400
yeah he did note that when he was

1960
01:14:50,149 --> 01:14:48,480
actually looking at it there did look

1961
01:14:51,110 --> 01:14:50,159
like there was some type of field around

1962
01:14:53,830 --> 01:14:51,120
it

1963
01:14:56,310 --> 01:14:53,840
and well that makes sense and

1964
01:14:58,070 --> 01:14:56,320
that kind of evidence is you know really

1965
01:15:00,470 --> 01:14:58,080
excites me because there's

1966
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:00,480
because a magnetic field

1967
01:15:06,470 --> 01:15:03,760
this is known since michael faraday

1968
01:15:09,189 --> 01:15:06,480
will polarize light

1969
01:15:11,590 --> 01:15:09,199
so in that case you're going to get some

1970
01:15:14,550 --> 01:15:11,600
lights and darks is the polarization of

1971
01:15:16,709 --> 01:15:14,560
the light right around the uh the

1972
01:15:19,590 --> 01:15:16,719
magnetic field that's coming off of this

1973
01:15:22,229 --> 01:15:19,600
thing so there's more evidence there if

1974
01:15:24,709 --> 01:15:22,239
you can properly interpret it that

1975
01:15:26,229 --> 01:15:24,719
suggests that these things are not being

1976
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:26,239
powered by

1977
01:15:33,430 --> 01:15:30,000
uh jet engines or any other kind of uh

1978
01:15:36,070 --> 01:15:33,440
system that we normally associate with

1979
01:15:39,350 --> 01:15:36,080
aircraft in this world well i'll send a

1980
01:15:42,390 --> 01:15:39,360
link to you then later on if you want

1981
01:15:43,690 --> 01:15:42,400
um can i can i just bring up something

1982
01:15:45,030 --> 01:15:43,700
briefly between

1983
01:15:46,950 --> 01:15:45,040
[Music]

1984
01:15:51,750 --> 01:15:46,960
um us and

1985
01:15:53,830 --> 01:15:51,760
that is the randallstrom incident

1986
01:15:56,790 --> 01:15:53,840
as graeme

1987
01:15:58,390 --> 01:15:56,800
will probably be very aware of

1988
01:16:03,750 --> 01:15:58,400
um

1989
01:16:07,669 --> 01:16:03,760
yes 1980

1990
01:16:11,750 --> 01:16:07,679
was the incident and it was with jim

1991
01:16:13,430 --> 01:16:11,760
patterson and jim jim burroughs

1992
01:16:16,310 --> 01:16:13,440
and

1993
01:16:18,709 --> 01:16:16,320
um amongst it was a three

1994
01:16:20,950 --> 01:16:18,719
three-day incident

1995
01:16:25,830 --> 01:16:20,960
between

1996
01:16:28,390 --> 01:16:25,840
ufos so

1997
01:16:30,709 --> 01:16:28,400
um anyone that says it's one one day

1998
01:16:33,110 --> 01:16:30,719
incident is incorrect

1999
01:16:35,430 --> 01:16:33,120
that's three days

2000
01:16:37,750 --> 01:16:35,440
so

2001
01:16:41,350 --> 01:16:37,760
tell me um

2002
01:16:43,189 --> 01:16:41,360
how these guys are trained military

2003
01:16:45,270 --> 01:16:43,199
experts and

2004
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:45,280
don't know the difference between a

2005
01:16:49,830 --> 01:16:46,800
lighthouse

2006
01:16:51,910 --> 01:16:49,840
and a ufo

2007
01:16:53,430 --> 01:16:51,920
that's what i want to know

2008
01:16:54,390 --> 01:16:53,440
because that

2009
01:16:59,910 --> 01:16:54,400
is

2010
01:17:05,830 --> 01:17:02,709
when it was a three-day incident of a

2011
01:17:08,229 --> 01:17:05,840
ufo landing uh they confirmed that it

2012
01:17:11,669 --> 01:17:08,239
wasn't a ufo because

2013
01:17:17,430 --> 01:17:11,679
sergeant jim pederson actually walked up

2014
01:17:21,270 --> 01:17:18,950
and

2015
01:17:22,870 --> 01:17:21,280
during the time that they touched this

2016
01:17:25,750 --> 01:17:22,880
ufo

2017
01:17:28,630 --> 01:17:25,760
they had a time distortion and they went

2018
01:17:31,430 --> 01:17:28,640
into a time bubble

2019
01:17:33,189 --> 01:17:31,440
and um

2020
01:17:41,270 --> 01:17:33,199
that

2021
01:17:43,910 --> 01:17:41,280
you know the uh the time

2022
01:17:45,910 --> 01:17:43,920
translates differently when you

2023
01:17:49,430 --> 01:17:45,920
manipulate

2024
01:17:52,310 --> 01:17:50,550
and

2025
01:17:55,110 --> 01:17:52,320
these

2026
01:17:56,310 --> 01:17:55,120
whoever they were time travelers or

2027
01:17:57,350 --> 01:17:56,320
whatever

2028
01:18:01,669 --> 01:17:57,360
have

2029
01:18:05,110 --> 01:18:01,679
got the technology to do so and

2030
01:18:05,990 --> 01:18:05,120
the actual case gets very interesting um

2031
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:06,000
when

2032
01:18:10,870 --> 01:18:09,600
jim actually touched the uh

2033
01:18:15,510 --> 01:18:10,880
the craft

2034
01:18:18,070 --> 01:18:15,520
he got an encoded message in his head

2035
01:18:20,390 --> 01:18:18,080
now this is going

2036
01:18:23,350 --> 01:18:20,400
beyond what a lot of people would go

2037
01:18:24,470 --> 01:18:23,360
yeah that's just nuts but that's what

2038
01:18:28,070 --> 01:18:24,480
happened

2039
01:18:31,669 --> 01:18:28,080
and then um i spoke to the author of

2040
01:18:34,709 --> 01:18:31,679
jim's book um gary osbourne

2041
01:18:38,550 --> 01:18:34,719
uh who translated the binary code that

2042
01:18:44,070 --> 01:18:38,560
got downloaded into jim's head

2043
01:18:48,709 --> 01:18:44,080
who he wrote down on a diary

2044
01:18:51,189 --> 01:18:48,719
and um he decoded them as major

2045
01:18:53,110 --> 01:18:51,199
points on earth like

2046
01:18:54,790 --> 01:18:53,120
the geezer and

2047
01:18:58,390 --> 01:18:54,800
so forth

2048
01:19:02,310 --> 01:18:59,830
um yeah

2049
01:19:07,750 --> 01:19:05,430
it's fascinating the whole subject

2050
01:19:10,229 --> 01:19:07,760
luke mentions about trained military

2051
01:19:12,550 --> 01:19:10,239
observers like you know how how can they

2052
01:19:13,750 --> 01:19:12,560
mistake you know mundane objects for

2053
01:19:16,390 --> 01:19:13,760
ufos

2054
01:19:18,870 --> 01:19:16,400
um yeah i mean those kind of things have

2055
01:19:20,630 --> 01:19:18,880
happened you know in the late 1940s and

2056
01:19:22,390 --> 01:19:20,640
in the early 1950s the kind of things i

2057
01:19:24,149 --> 01:19:22,400
was researching for the second book i

2058
01:19:26,709 --> 01:19:24,159
wrote flying sort of fever there's

2059
01:19:28,149 --> 01:19:26,719
plenty of stories where you know pilots

2060
01:19:30,950 --> 01:19:28,159
have seen things they simply don't

2061
01:19:32,630 --> 01:19:30,960
understand and yet their testimony when

2062
01:19:34,470 --> 01:19:32,640
it comes down to the the actual

2063
01:19:37,030 --> 01:19:34,480
intelligence reporting and then on to

2064
01:19:39,030 --> 01:19:37,040
bloop etc it bears no relation to what

2065
01:19:41,030 --> 01:19:39,040
they actually said in terms of what they

2066
01:19:42,870 --> 01:19:41,040
said oh this is what our evaluation oh

2067
01:19:45,030 --> 01:19:42,880
it's a weather balloon or it's another

2068
01:19:46,950 --> 01:19:45,040
aircraft or or some kind of weather

2069
01:19:48,630 --> 01:19:46,960
phenomena like the northern lights and

2070
01:19:50,870 --> 01:19:48,640
you've got experienced aircraft flying

2071
01:19:52,470 --> 01:19:50,880
over a cruise flying over the north

2072
01:19:54,070 --> 01:19:52,480
atlantic and they're seeing things they

2073
01:19:55,990 --> 01:19:54,080
don't understand they're reporting them

2074
01:19:58,229 --> 01:19:56,000
in detail and yet oh it's just the

2075
01:20:00,310 --> 01:19:58,239
northern lights or it's just a weather

2076
01:20:03,030 --> 01:20:00,320
you've had a dog fight with a weather

2077
01:20:05,990 --> 01:20:03,040
balloon um in the george gorman case

2078
01:20:07,350 --> 01:20:06,000
from uh from october 1948. you know so

2079
01:20:09,270 --> 01:20:07,360
there's a whole load of things happening

2080
01:20:11,350 --> 01:20:09,280
from back then yeah that's the notebook

2081
01:20:13,750 --> 01:20:11,360
that james uh from james pettison uh

2082
01:20:15,750 --> 01:20:13,760
that uh luke was mentioning the um you

2083
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:15,760
know the stories throughout history from

2084
01:20:20,709 --> 01:20:18,480
modern ufology history anyway of trained

2085
01:20:22,550 --> 01:20:20,719
observers seeing things that they can't

2086
01:20:24,310 --> 01:20:22,560
understand yet they're reporting in

2087
01:20:26,550 --> 01:20:24,320
detail and which are then being

2088
01:20:28,149 --> 01:20:26,560
misinterpreted by people who are

2089
01:20:30,229 --> 01:20:28,159
supposed to be investigating them

2090
01:20:33,030 --> 01:20:30,239
officially for the u.s government and

2091
01:20:35,430 --> 01:20:33,040
other and other agencies and you just

2092
01:20:36,870 --> 01:20:35,440
wonder why you know why are they saying

2093
01:20:39,270 --> 01:20:36,880
oh yeah they're just weather balloons

2094
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:39,280
why are they this why are they that um

2095
01:20:45,030 --> 01:20:40,639
and yet other

2096
01:20:50,790 --> 01:20:48,390
well at what since i have you three here

2097
01:20:52,390 --> 01:20:50,800
i i want your i want your thoughts on

2098
01:20:54,870 --> 01:20:52,400
something i've been investigating for

2099
01:20:59,990 --> 01:20:54,880
about over a decade now

2100
01:21:02,070 --> 01:21:00,000
and that's what i term as the manta ray

2101
01:21:03,430 --> 01:21:02,080
entities let's put it this way

2102
01:21:06,390 --> 01:21:03,440
uh and

2103
01:21:09,669 --> 01:21:06,400
i i do have a sketch that was sent to me

2104
01:21:11,990 --> 01:21:09,679
um and i've had this reported these

2105
01:21:15,350 --> 01:21:12,000
these um

2106
01:21:17,669 --> 01:21:15,360
bio craft possibly that undulate

2107
01:21:20,709 --> 01:21:17,679
they're shaped like a uh like a manta

2108
01:21:21,990 --> 01:21:20,719
ray or something very similar to that

2109
01:21:23,830 --> 01:21:22,000
uh and

2110
01:21:25,590 --> 01:21:23,840
the cases that i have

2111
01:21:28,950 --> 01:21:25,600
been have been reported may have been

2112
01:21:30,149 --> 01:21:28,960
mostly in the united states uh it used

2113
01:21:32,310 --> 01:21:30,159
to be

2114
01:21:34,390 --> 01:21:32,320
several that were in the ohio river

2115
01:21:36,229 --> 01:21:34,400
valley but i've gotten them all over the

2116
01:21:38,070 --> 01:21:36,239
country since then

2117
01:21:42,550 --> 01:21:38,080
do you believe

2118
01:21:49,030 --> 01:21:42,560
that any of these craft or ufos may

2119
01:21:52,310 --> 01:21:50,629
anyone

2120
01:21:53,990 --> 01:21:52,320
yeah why not

2121
01:21:55,030 --> 01:21:54,000
yeah i've heard that

2122
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:55,040
but

2123
01:22:00,629 --> 01:21:59,120
through mainly through um abductee type

2124
01:22:02,229 --> 01:22:00,639
people

2125
01:22:05,430 --> 01:22:02,239
and mediums

2126
01:22:06,709 --> 01:22:05,440
i investigate every avenue so

2127
01:22:09,189 --> 01:22:06,719
um

2128
01:22:10,950 --> 01:22:09,199
just to see what's going on out there

2129
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:10,960
and yeah they've mentioned that some of

2130
01:22:13,750 --> 01:22:12,239
these

2131
01:22:17,030 --> 01:22:13,760
you're talking

2132
01:22:19,350 --> 01:22:17,040
millions of years more advanced right

2133
01:22:21,910 --> 01:22:19,360
and not just technically but

2134
01:22:24,870 --> 01:22:21,920
psychically because

2135
01:22:26,709 --> 01:22:24,880
their their crafts are guided

2136
01:22:28,870 --> 01:22:26,719
by their thoughts

2137
01:22:31,669 --> 01:22:28,880
so you have to be very well disciplined

2138
01:22:35,750 --> 01:22:31,679
if you're gonna steer a craft at light

2139
01:22:37,510 --> 01:22:35,760
speeds with your mind but um

2140
01:22:39,270 --> 01:22:37,520
yeah i've heard of them i don't know you

2141
01:22:41,430 --> 01:22:39,280
know if they're real or not i you know i

2142
01:22:43,830 --> 01:22:41,440
haven't seen anything like that but

2143
01:22:45,590 --> 01:22:43,840
i believe in the possibility yeah sure

2144
01:22:49,430 --> 01:22:45,600
that could there's no reason why that

2145
01:22:53,590 --> 01:22:50,390
um

2146
01:22:55,669 --> 01:22:53,600
well and also i had an associate that

2147
01:22:57,030 --> 01:22:55,679
lived in southern wales

2148
01:23:01,430 --> 01:22:57,040
uh

2149
01:23:05,910 --> 01:23:03,910
they had taken several photographs and

2150
01:23:08,550 --> 01:23:05,920
there's basically like a flyway there

2151
01:23:09,830 --> 01:23:08,560
that runs from wales down south across

2152
01:23:11,990 --> 01:23:09,840
into uh

2153
01:23:14,229 --> 01:23:12,000
into cornwall down across the channel

2154
01:23:15,830 --> 01:23:14,239
into spain but there seemed to be like a

2155
01:23:17,669 --> 01:23:15,840
flyway there and

2156
01:23:19,510 --> 01:23:17,679
there have been a lot of photographs

2157
01:23:22,629 --> 01:23:19,520
that they have sent to me

2158
01:23:24,629 --> 01:23:22,639
they seem to be like blobs basically

2159
01:23:28,470 --> 01:23:24,639
high up in the air very colorful but

2160
01:23:33,030 --> 01:23:28,480
they do morph as they're flying

2161
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:34,870
there are stories of things happening in

2162
01:23:37,830 --> 01:23:36,239
south wales it's certainly a bit of a

2163
01:23:39,910 --> 01:23:37,840
hot spot and there's been there was a

2164
01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,920
school landing in broadhaven back in the

2165
01:23:44,550 --> 01:23:41,360
1970s

2166
01:23:47,030 --> 01:23:44,560
um so there are so is certainly an area

2167
01:23:49,669 --> 01:23:47,040
where there's been lots of activity

2168
01:23:51,510 --> 01:23:49,679
these kind of lights have been reported

2169
01:23:53,189 --> 01:23:51,520
there's one particular case out of south

2170
01:23:54,310 --> 01:23:53,199
wales which has got a lot of controversy

2171
01:23:56,709 --> 01:23:54,320
behind it which i'm not going to get

2172
01:23:58,470 --> 01:23:56,719
into for various reasons but there have

2173
01:23:59,830 --> 01:23:58,480
been other things seen as well and

2174
01:24:01,990 --> 01:23:59,840
there's certainly one particular chap

2175
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:02,000
who i know who has photographed a lot of

2176
01:24:06,229 --> 01:24:03,600
things like this

2177
01:24:06,950 --> 01:24:06,239
so there's clearly something going on

2178
01:24:09,910 --> 01:24:06,960
but

2179
01:24:11,350 --> 01:24:09,920
in terms of one particular case that's

2180
01:24:13,669 --> 01:24:11,360
developed a bit of notoriety over the

2181
01:24:15,830 --> 01:24:13,679
last few years i don't think that one

2182
01:24:17,830 --> 01:24:15,840
has much merit to it but these ones

2183
01:24:19,669 --> 01:24:17,840
these other things definitely there's

2184
01:24:21,110 --> 01:24:19,679
something going on and i'm not entirely

2185
01:24:22,870 --> 01:24:21,120
sure we can understand what it is

2186
01:24:24,550 --> 01:24:22,880
because we don't know enough about it

2187
01:24:27,270 --> 01:24:24,560
and seeing some like kind of pictures

2188
01:24:28,629 --> 01:24:27,280
like this you know they're great to see

2189
01:24:30,310 --> 01:24:28,639
but i'm not entirely sure how much

2190
01:24:32,310 --> 01:24:30,320
information they give us i'm not

2191
01:24:34,310 --> 01:24:32,320
qualified as a photo interpretation

2192
01:24:36,149 --> 01:24:34,320
expert anyway uh so i couldn't tell you

2193
01:24:38,310 --> 01:24:36,159
what's happening well these are some of

2194
01:24:39,990 --> 01:24:38,320
the photographs that were taken in south

2195
01:24:41,590 --> 01:24:40,000
wales and um

2196
01:24:43,350 --> 01:24:41,600
you know i was just curious since i had

2197
01:24:45,030 --> 01:24:43,360
you three here what your thoughts were

2198
01:24:46,790 --> 01:24:45,040
on that so uh

2199
01:24:49,270 --> 01:24:46,800
you know it kind of it really intrigued

2200
01:24:51,590 --> 01:24:49,280
me i mean these were taken like about

2201
01:24:53,590 --> 01:24:51,600
about nine or ten years ago

2202
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:53,600
but uh you know as we watched them

2203
01:24:59,030 --> 01:24:56,320
because they were videotaped uh they

2204
01:25:00,470 --> 01:24:59,040
they did change the shape and uh it was

2205
01:25:01,350 --> 01:25:00,480
pretty obvious they were changing its

2206
01:25:04,390 --> 01:25:01,360
shape

2207
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,400
so i i you know i wanted your thoughts

2208
01:25:08,470 --> 01:25:06,320
on if there were they may have been some

2209
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:08,480
type of bio form or some type of living

2210
01:25:11,110 --> 01:25:09,679
organism

2211
01:25:16,470 --> 01:25:11,120
that's

2212
01:25:19,270 --> 01:25:16,480
did they ever at any point

2213
01:25:21,030 --> 01:25:19,280
develop a structure a solid structure

2214
01:25:24,149 --> 01:25:21,040
from being just

2215
01:25:26,149 --> 01:25:24,159
a glowing orb

2216
01:25:28,709 --> 01:25:26,159
yeah not that we know this not that i

2217
01:25:31,110 --> 01:25:28,719
noticed um and i was looking for that

2218
01:25:35,510 --> 01:25:33,510
well there could it could be a lot of

2219
01:25:36,870 --> 01:25:35,520
explanations for that

2220
01:25:38,830 --> 01:25:36,880
um

2221
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:38,840
anything i would say would just be

2222
01:25:43,350 --> 01:25:41,440
speculation my only idea would with

2223
01:25:44,669 --> 01:25:43,360
those kind of things is

2224
01:25:46,950 --> 01:25:44,679
that might be something

2225
01:25:49,189 --> 01:25:46,960
inter-dimensional but it could also be

2226
01:25:51,430 --> 01:25:49,199
ball lightning it could be

2227
01:25:53,270 --> 01:25:51,440
who knows what there's a precedent for

2228
01:25:55,510 --> 01:25:53,280
these there was a case from the 1950s of

2229
01:25:57,510 --> 01:25:55,520
an airliner crew

2230
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,520
off newfoundland had seen something that

2231
01:26:01,590 --> 01:25:59,440
changed shape during the course of the

2232
01:26:04,070 --> 01:26:01,600
encounter so you know it's not as if

2233
01:26:05,350 --> 01:26:04,080
it's something new but yeah as mark says

2234
01:26:08,550 --> 01:26:05,360
you know anything we would say about

2235
01:26:10,790 --> 01:26:08,560
this is only speculation really okay

2236
01:26:13,350 --> 01:26:10,800
well you know i i'd like to have each

2237
01:26:15,590 --> 01:26:13,360
one of you tell the audience

2238
01:26:17,669 --> 01:26:15,600
oh now that one was actually taken above

2239
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,679
lancaster pennsylvania

2240
01:26:23,350 --> 01:26:20,080
uh that was taken by my uh associate

2241
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:23,360
butch witkowski

2242
01:26:27,510 --> 01:26:25,280
i'd like for each one of you to

2243
01:26:29,430 --> 01:26:27,520
individually tell the folks

2244
01:26:31,270 --> 01:26:29,440
what you've been working on how they can

2245
01:26:33,030 --> 01:26:31,280
contact you where they can find your

2246
01:26:35,189 --> 01:26:33,040
books and anything you've got coming up

2247
01:26:36,550 --> 01:26:35,199
in the future let's start out with let's

2248
01:26:38,229 --> 01:26:36,560
start out with graham

2249
01:26:40,310 --> 01:26:38,239
okay so i've written two books on the

2250
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:40,320
ufo subject the first is ufos before

2251
01:26:44,709 --> 01:26:42,239
roswell it's about the foo fighters of

2252
01:26:46,070 --> 01:26:44,719
world war ii and i came out with another

2253
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:46,080
book earlier this year called flying

2254
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:47,679
saucer fever which is about aerial

2255
01:26:52,870 --> 01:26:50,480
encounters between 1950 and 52. i've

2256
01:26:56,390 --> 01:26:52,880
also worked just off about to release

2257
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,400
one for 46 to 49 encounters uh my books

2258
01:26:59,910 --> 01:26:58,400
are available by amazon so if you do a

2259
01:27:01,750 --> 01:26:59,920
search for my find my name graham

2260
01:27:04,149 --> 01:27:01,760
rendell you'll find them if you're on

2261
01:27:05,830 --> 01:27:04,159
twitter you can find me at border 750

2262
01:27:08,550 --> 01:27:05,840
that's the easiest way to contact me i

2263
01:27:11,750 --> 01:27:08,560
accept the end so it's no problem um and

2264
01:27:13,830 --> 01:27:11,760
yes i work on using historical documents

2265
01:27:16,149 --> 01:27:13,840
to to build up a picture about uh old

2266
01:27:18,310 --> 01:27:16,159
cases so i'm trying to inform the public

2267
01:27:20,310 --> 01:27:18,320
more about what happened years ago and

2268
01:27:22,390 --> 01:27:20,320
also drawing parallels what happened

2269
01:27:24,629 --> 01:27:22,400
then to what's happening now as well so

2270
01:27:26,790 --> 01:27:24,639
that's my prime focus

2271
01:27:31,110 --> 01:27:26,800
uh luke

2272
01:27:33,510 --> 01:27:31,120
yeah i work on educated people such as

2273
01:27:37,270 --> 01:27:33,520
graham and other people

2274
01:27:41,990 --> 01:27:37,280
to do my research so

2275
01:27:44,390 --> 01:27:42,000
my to keep it short my groups are into

2276
01:27:47,430 --> 01:27:44,400
the dimensional rift and ufo files

2277
01:27:50,310 --> 01:27:47,440
groups which

2278
01:27:54,229 --> 01:27:50,320
are highly successful we're up to about

2279
01:27:56,070 --> 01:27:54,239
30 000 members so you can contact me on

2280
01:27:57,350 --> 01:27:56,080
either of the groups

2281
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:57,360
including

2282
01:28:04,870 --> 01:28:01,280
graeme and mark um or any members

2283
01:28:06,390 --> 01:28:04,880
hopefully uh yes so

2284
01:28:07,990 --> 01:28:06,400
yep uh

2285
01:28:12,950 --> 01:28:08,000
that

2286
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:12,960
we'll keep it short

2287
01:28:17,830 --> 01:28:14,560
and mark

2288
01:28:25,669 --> 01:28:19,990
um

2289
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:25,679
here it is right here

2290
01:28:30,229 --> 01:28:27,280
um

2291
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:30,239
that was to complete all the notes i've

2292
01:28:37,189 --> 01:28:34,159
amassed over the 45 years of study

2293
01:28:38,709 --> 01:28:37,199
of einstein's work and and some of the

2294
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:38,719
other masters

2295
01:28:42,629 --> 01:28:40,880
to complete the unified field theory

2296
01:28:45,030 --> 01:28:42,639
solution which i've uploaded to

2297
01:28:46,870 --> 01:28:45,040
researchgate that goes along with the

2298
01:28:48,470 --> 01:28:46,880
book to back up what i've said in the

2299
01:28:50,470 --> 01:28:48,480
book

2300
01:28:53,030 --> 01:28:50,480
i worked on gravity so that i could

2301
01:28:54,950 --> 01:28:53,040
figure out antigravity so the short

2302
01:28:56,790 --> 01:28:54,960
short story on that is gravity is a

2303
01:28:57,750 --> 01:28:56,800
contraction of space

2304
01:28:59,990 --> 01:28:57,760
so

2305
01:29:01,189 --> 01:29:00,000
anti-gravity has to be an expansion of

2306
01:29:03,350 --> 01:29:01,199
space

2307
01:29:05,669 --> 01:29:03,360
so i worked out

2308
01:29:08,629 --> 01:29:05,679
how exactly

2309
01:29:10,390 --> 01:29:08,639
gravity is formed

2310
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,400
by the the use of

2311
01:29:15,510 --> 01:29:12,719
accelerated particles

2312
01:29:17,270 --> 01:29:15,520
uh in in an accelerated motion on

2313
01:29:19,669 --> 01:29:17,280
unbalanced charged particles and

2314
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:19,679
accelerating motion causes gravity so i

2315
01:29:25,990 --> 01:29:23,520
use a similar technique electrons moving

2316
01:29:28,390 --> 01:29:26,000
within wires

2317
01:29:29,669 --> 01:29:28,400
which is not accelerated

2318
01:29:32,149 --> 01:29:29,679
to

2319
01:29:34,149 --> 01:29:32,159
generate a magnetic field which causes a

2320
01:29:36,709 --> 01:29:34,159
stretching of space so that

2321
01:29:38,790 --> 01:29:36,719
i could confirm that anti-gravity comes

2322
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:38,800
from a magnetic field and i'm currently

2323
01:29:41,990 --> 01:29:40,239
working on that

2324
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:42,000
in my lab now

2325
01:29:45,750 --> 01:29:44,480
to see if i can detect

2326
01:29:47,830 --> 01:29:45,760
any

2327
01:29:50,950 --> 01:29:47,840
gravity shielding or

2328
01:29:52,870 --> 01:29:50,960
anti-gravity effect so that's what i'm

2329
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:52,880
working on currently and you can find my

2330
01:29:57,510 --> 01:29:55,600
book on amazon as well

2331
01:29:59,590 --> 01:29:57,520
well gentlemen i really appreciate you

2332
01:30:01,910 --> 01:29:59,600
taking the time to come on here tonight

2333
01:30:03,189 --> 01:30:01,920
uh from all corners of the globe

2334
01:30:06,070 --> 01:30:03,199
and uh

2335
01:30:07,990 --> 01:30:06,080
you know if you ever wish to contact me

2336
01:30:09,750 --> 01:30:08,000
feel free to do so i'm very interested

2337
01:30:12,790 --> 01:30:09,760
in what you're all doing

2338
01:30:14,709 --> 01:30:12,800
and uh you all have a great weekend and

2339
01:30:16,629 --> 01:30:14,719
we will talk soon

2340
01:30:17,830 --> 01:30:16,639
thank you thanks

2341
01:30:23,189 --> 01:30:17,840
very good

2342
01:30:26,390 --> 01:30:24,790
now if you've had an unexplained

2343
01:30:27,910 --> 01:30:26,400
encounter setting

2344
01:30:30,390 --> 01:30:27,920
feel free to contact me through the

2345
01:30:33,110 --> 01:30:30,400
phantoms and monsters blog site

2346
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:33,120
i once again thank my guests for joining

2347
01:30:36,629 --> 01:30:34,480
me this evening

2348
01:30:38,229 --> 01:30:36,639
and thanks to each and all of you for

2349
01:30:40,870 --> 01:30:38,239
watching and chatting

2350
01:30:43,110 --> 01:30:40,880
uh it's it's truly appreciated when you

2351
01:30:44,870 --> 01:30:43,120
come on here and spend your time with us

2352
01:30:47,030 --> 01:30:44,880
uh your support is what makes this

2353
01:30:49,750 --> 01:30:47,040
possible so please like subscribe and

2354
01:30:51,430 --> 01:30:49,760
share now if you have a sighting or

2355
01:30:53,830 --> 01:30:51,440
encounter report that you would like to

2356
01:30:54,950 --> 01:30:53,840
be considered for the personal report

2357
01:30:57,990 --> 01:30:54,960
show

2358
01:31:00,790 --> 01:30:58,000
and or posted at fam's a monster please

2359
01:31:03,229 --> 01:31:00,800
feel free to uh forward to my email

2360
01:31:04,790 --> 01:31:03,239
at lon strickler at

2361
01:31:06,870 --> 01:31:04,800
phantomsandmonsters.com

2362
01:31:08,950 --> 01:31:06,880
now next week

2363
01:31:11,669 --> 01:31:08,960
uh or this friday

2364
01:31:13,510 --> 01:31:11,679
my friend and colleague uh

2365
01:31:16,950 --> 01:31:13,520
well next friday my friend and colleague

2366
01:31:19,990 --> 01:31:16,960
janette lucas will join me now jeanette

2367
01:31:21,910 --> 01:31:20,000
is a forensic psychic who uses her gifts

2368
01:31:25,030 --> 01:31:21,920
to find missing persons

2369
01:31:27,350 --> 01:31:25,040
and assists police in solving cases she

2370
01:31:28,950 --> 01:31:27,360
is also involved in treasure hunting and

2371
01:31:31,990 --> 01:31:28,960
other pursuits where she uses her

2372
01:31:33,510 --> 01:31:32,000
abilities so make sure to join us next

2373
01:31:35,590 --> 01:31:33,520
friday i think you'll find it very

2374
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:35,600
interesting so until next week stay

2375
01:31:42,740 --> 01:31:37,920
healthy and have a safe and enjoyable